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Biden's executive orders

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by ryan_98, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. geeimsobored

    geeimsobored Contributing Member

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    Its not that simple. The US doesn't have enough immigration judges to even come close to dealing with the backlog of deportation cases. You either have to end up illegally deporting people (which the Trump administration routinely did) or you have to start prioritizing who gets deported. In the short term, it makes sense to the latter. No one objects to deporting people here illegally but you need to do so legally and humanely.

    So until Congress votes to basically triples the size of the US Immigration Court system, prioritizing deportations is required. The average wait time to complete the full immigration review process is close to two years right now.

    So we can get mad at Biden for backing off on some deportations but its the common sense thing to do. If you're constrained by the courts, you have to pick and choose who to deport and I'd rather we focus on deporting people who have committed crimes rather than indiscriminately deporting people. This is also why the Obama Administration deported more people than the Bush Administration. By prioritizing criminals, it actually sped up court proceedings because criminals can't claim asylum or claim a temporary status as the act of committing crimes removes their ability to claim a legal status.

    So if you support enforcing immigration laws, the Biden approach is the right one. The bigger challenge is securing the Southern border using real solutions (i.e. not a useless wall) as well as immigration reform to create a modern immigration system.
     
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  2. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    They're a special case so I wouldn't straight deport them tomorrow. I may set up resources for them to find their family members wherever they came from and to help them find employment but yeah, ultimately they should be deported with whatever help we can provide them to land on their feet.
     
  3. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    So bye to the best friends they made, the culture they were raised in, the people they loved etc?

    That's cruel dude and I feel like the economic gains aren't worth that cruelty.

    I genuinely think you aren't thinking thorough the mental health impact of such a drastic move on someone's life.

    We can give you all the resources you need but how would you feel being dropped off at Somalia or Honduras, countries you probably never visited and don't have any ties with anymore. There are plenty of dreamers who don't have family members that remember or care about them anymore in their respective countries of origin.
     
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  4. jiggyfly

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    Do you think they had to make new factories for non lead paint?

    Sometimes you say the craziest stuff.
     
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  5. jiggyfly

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    So no to dreamers?
     
  6. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Probably. Lead paint had different manufacring process.


    I mean this applies to other industries. The tabacco industry suffered from government regulation on advertisements and taxes on unhealthy products which resulted in loss of jobs I'm sure.
     
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  7. jiggyfly

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    Learning a whole lot about you.

    Yikes.
     
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  8. jiggyfly

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    Do you think the U.S. does not benefit from illegal immigration?

    Do you understand the impact that would have?
     
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    Yes it has different manufacturing processes but the same people can still make the paint.

    Has taking lead out of gasoline caused job loss?
     
  10. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    Sure. It's a bad example. Anyways my point is that an existential threat to the future of our way of life merits not pandering to the mantra of "growth for growth sakes" for certain industries like oil and gas.
     
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  11. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    You can market them as dreamers or unicorns or care bears if you want, they're still here illegally and they know they're here illegally and their parents knew they came here illegally.
     
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    Market them, WTF?

    These are human beings some of who have served our country.

    You have yet to explain why you think they are a detriment is it because they are others?
     
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    There's a much simpler way. The main reason illegals are here is to work and have their children born here as American citizens. When you begin arresting and fining people and companies that hire illegals then these folks will leave on their own. In concert with this, you can create a migrant worker program to document people who want to come to this country to work and you could perhaps use this program and other incentives to horse trade with liberals to revoke birthright citizenship. Make citizenship reliant on having one American parent. This will also have a dramatic effect on curbing illegal immigration. When you remove the incentives and illegal immigration dries up.
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Right, in every country in the world there are laws to govern citizenship but in this country we have dreamers so none of that applies.
     
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    Just knock it down.
     
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    We have laws as well and a lot of countries have even more lax laws.

    You sound like a bigot and one that's ignorant on the topic because you have yet to say why you are opposed other than they are illegal.

    Do you understand how that hurts the country if they were all deported?
     
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    No one that grew up here and isn't a criminal should be sent packing.
     
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    There is already a migrant worker program.

    I see you really don't know a lot about this topic.
     
  19. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    That's not cruel at all. These are mostly adults dude, any "Dreamer" under Obama's executive action is a minimum 20 years old and the average age is 24 years old. There are "Dreamers" in their ****ing thirties dude. The beauty of DACA though is that it continues to roll and protect people who are brought here before age sixteen so next year all these new kids brought here illegally will be protected and the year after that and the year after that such that the protection never ends. These aren't children being dragged from their mothers arms and thrown in cages. They're not kids stuck in a civil war being deprived food and medicine by a military that we fund. That's cruel.

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    I'm not Somalian. This is a consideration these parents made and will continue to make to defy the law and bring their children here because DACA protects them from the consequences of their own behavior.
     
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  20. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    That's why they keep coming illegally, because there's a migrant worker program accessible to them. Clearly you know a lot about the incentives of an illegal immigrant.
     

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