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ClutchFans Game Thread: Suns @ Rockets 1/20/2021

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Clutch, Jan 19, 2021.

  1. D-rock

    D-rock Member

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    NOW you ask this question????

    You were in the forefront of the trade Harden brigade.

    Wall is not the scorer or playmaker that Harden is but he is still a good enough playmaker to kick out to open man.

    The point is mid range game is a losing proposition for a team that has as little talent as the current Rockets.

    Use analytics to your advantage.

    And Silas system stupidly encourages lousy ballhandlers to put ball on the floor instead of catch and shoot.
     
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  2. CXbby

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    Need to trade PJ before he becomes worthless.
     
  3. hakeem94

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    o yeah?
    how many years you need to tank to get a player that is not a bust markelle fultz or anthony bennet ?

    how about we draft kawhi leonard with our 15th pick?
    or jimmy butler with our pick no 30?
    or a jokic with our pick no 40
     
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  4. RocketsJumer

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    Even though Silas hasn’t been impressive, I can’t put much blame on him.

    He was given a very tough hand.

    Two of your supposed leaders and veterans (Harden and Tucker) came into the season disgruntled.

    Even tough Tucker was touting coming to play professionally, it’s pretty clear he’s not happy and not giving his best.

    I think Harden was actually trying hard the first 5 games or so but he knew that if the Rockets were to compete, he’d have to go 2019 supernova. I can understand why he would not be interested in doing that again. If you guys remember, he would have to put up gaudy numbers for the Rockets to have a chance a beating teams. And the media would roast him or belittle his game for putting up those gaudy numbers. It was a lose-lose to do that all again for a team that wasn’t seriously going to compete.

    You open the season with almost half the team in Covid protocols for getting a stupid haircut.

    The team is forced to play Brodric Thomas and Bruno extended minutes. Couldn’t even play the interesting rookies like Martin or Mason Jones.

    You just barely start getting the whole team together just in time to face the Lakers twice and (predictably) get blown the **** out, prompting your best player to renegade on any illusion of making any of this work.

    You trade your best player for a package that, other than Vic, didn’t net you back anything in terms of usable players. You didn’t get depth or fill a position of need to try and compete (you know, like a playable PG or defensive C).

    The only great/elite playmaker on your team has been out for almost two weeks so the team has to rely on Eric “barely 2apg” Gordon and an un-drafted rookie point-forward to be playmakers. Going from Luka or Harden (even Wall) running the offense to Gordon or Tate and expecting passable results is unfair for any of us to expect.

    The team just doesn’t have the talent to compete. Half the rotation is or should be under minutes restrictions given their injury history (Boogie, Wall, Nwaba, Oladipo). The veteran hold overs (Gordon, Tucker, BMac) have been very up and down. Brown has been good but in/out of the lineup. To round out your rotation are two un-drafted rookies plus the occasional Martin. Wood has been a saving grace but he’s been a pretty lackluster defensively.

    I think boogie should be better than what he’s been but the last two weeks have been ROUGH. And in games he starts good, an ejection is almost certain lmao.

    This team has little shooting, playmaking, defense or rebounding. They want to play fast and get easy buckets in transition but are so bad on defense and getting rebounds that they can’t get much off the fast real.

    You cannot consistently get down 15+ and expect to pull out wins in the NBA. This team has a very bad habit off getting down big, clawing their way back within a bucket or two then completely letting go. Some of that is coaching but it’s more on the players as well.

    To me, Silas hasn’t been great but there’s not much you can do with a **** roster with legitimate concerns and faults.
     
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  5. JayGoogle

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    Great orgs miss too.

    This Cade guy everyone is hyping up could easily be Wiggins or Oden, both were supposed to be generational MVP caliber players...
     
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  6. ak99999

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    Rockets would first need to find players that can make 3s. Whole team sux at shooting percentage.
     
  7. HP3

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    What’s the grater chance, we miss with a low FRP or a high one? It’s just 1-2 years man. Then we can build a culture like you envisioned. But we need the talent first.
     
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  8. JayGoogle

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    All this plus it sounds like the team hasn't had much practice time because of the covid stuff, it's probably been as tough of a job you can ask of a rookie head coach.
     
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  9. DeBeards

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    at least tilman shows a pang of conscience to leave us a few things to cheer for once in a while, however most of the time it obviously occurs to us that we're sunk, got no interest in Ws.
    i believe in an interview Oladipo just expressed that in a polite way 'good days ahead of us'.
     
  10. JayGoogle

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    winning culture doesn't get built by losing.

    The greater chance is OKC getting our pick. That's just how it is. We all should be prepared that OKC will own our pick.

    And tankers always say "It's just one year..."
     
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  11. hakeem94

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    not being a losing team is greater than no 1 pick
     
  12. D-rock

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    But it is Silas fault who he starts, how long they play and who plays 2nd unit.

    It's also Silas fault that they start with drop coverage and only go to switch everything when they have to fight like hell to make up double digit deficit.

    Silas was the one who chose to run his system thru Wall instead of Harden and cut his iso's in half.

    Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.
     
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  13. HP3

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    Yes it can. Look at the Mavs. Nuggets were also bad on got Murray.

    Uhh it’s over percent that’s good enough

    One to two years.
     
  14. HP3

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    No it’s not
     
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    It’s been like that for years, even with Harden just trash shooters around him. Stone is just continuing the legacy.
     
  16. hakeem94

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    lol you may be losing 2 years and not even get pick no 1 ...let alone get the player that is a championshion cornerstone like lebron...

    such players may appear once in a decade

    philly tanked 5 years and theyre not even close to championship lololol NOT EVEN CLOSE
     
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  17. Mr. Space City

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    No Springer and soon to be no Watson. Dark days ahead for Houston indeed.

    At least we still have Cayliegh.
     
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  18. HP3

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    Not even close? They are one Nen Simmons trade from being serious contenders. Even more so if they got Harden. They also had crappy management when they fired Hinkie.
     
  19. hakeem94

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    and they tanked in an era where tanking paid more... IMAGINE THAT...5 years of terrible losing and they still NOWHERE NEAR
     
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  20. JayGoogle

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    The Mavs? They are not a team I'm envious of right now. I'd love Doncic sure but that team is years away from contending.

    One to two years...unless you never get your guy...you could also get your guy and he could still suck. Every year is a roll of the dice that this guy is the guy to lead you out of tanking land...

    And in all that time you could instead be building a good team that attracts FAs all while trading players to get lotto picks that could turn out to be the guy you wanted all along.
     
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