What happened to defund the police? Progressives vs Democrat conflict

Another dopey Roxran troll thread. The "compromise and moderate views" of the last four years of a Trump Presidency are lost on him.

 

Lots of herp and derp about BLM, Defund, and Socialism, but the other side of this coin is that these same mainline and bluedog Dems who got washed out largely leaned away from things like minimum wage increases, drug legalization, universal healthcare, and other populist positions. The culture warrior left is a burden, but these dummies aren't exactly helping themselves out either.

 

I think it's a great thread!

 

It was poorly named, it should have been called - move some social services to social workers.

or Demilitarize the police by removing their access to retired military equipment.

DD

 

Agreed, but its name shows the frustration that all attempts at reform have largely failed. See the following book which I read and it in detail from an academic point of view shows how all the numerous attempts have to date been near total failures.
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The End of Policing is a 2017 book by the American sociologist Alex S. Vitale. The author argues for the eventual abolition of the police, to be replaced variously by decriminalization or with non-law enforcement approaches, depending on the crime. Wikipedia

 

Oh god.

What are we going to do with the usual suspects who inevitably slink back in here and complain about whatever the democrat - controlled govt attempts to do, while ignoring (and by example asking us all to ignore) that they literally cheered for the destruction of most political and democratic norms? That they overlooked and excused and cheered for the base criminality, the chaos of the last four years?

The split in the democratic party over how to frame and how to pursue police reform is a legit topic, and an interesting one to discuss.

Also, inevitably Biden will make stupid gaffes, and the dems are going to do some things wrong this year, and deserve criticism for it when it happens.

But to discuss it with folks who looked the other way, cajoled, false-equivalenced, both-sided, and outright cheered for an utterly criminal administration with zero respect for the constitution or the rule of law, or even basic facts or truth... It's like stepping in a big steaming, stinking jacuzzi of bad faith. Gross.

 

Wut?

It's exactly names like this is why they have failed.

 

Exactly.
Roxy is just trying to troll and I hope we can refrain from giving him the attention he desperately wants.

 

The problem is we haven't had enough police shootings. They are rare events and if you don't have high profile incidents like George Floyd in your news people eventually go back to favorable feelings about law enforcement

 

Agreed.

Many people doesn't realize that the police used to be first aid and ambulance transport (along with funeral homes) for medical emergencies. The officers weren't trained for medical emergencies and many people would unnecessarily die enroute to the hospital. It wasn't until the the mid 60s when a professional ambulance service would start in Pittsburgh with mostly black staff who were actually trained in medical care . They served black neighborhoods that had substandard service due to tension between the black community and police. Soon the use of medically trained ambulance service took off everywhere else because the quality of care is significantly higher. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_House_Ambulance_Service

I see 'defunding the police' just another step in that direction. Let the trained professionals do what they're trained to do. Absolutely no one would argue for the the police to take back their responsibility of being ambulance service. I see separating police duty from social service duty to be better for everyone.

 

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Meanwhile violence has spiked during the pandemic. The only group of people as a group who have a beef with police are blacks.

Don't want to argue about reasons. Just saying people like law enforcement and only in moments of caught on film brutality is when this movement can gain traction

 

Ok, it is all so simple I guess

 

Still not making any sense.

Nobody said anything was simple.

 

It been hours since Biden has been sworn in, are the police defunded yet?

 

Nope but guns are now illegal!!!

LOL - FEAR the BS talking points of the GOP, FEAR!~!!!....none of which are true.

DD

 

I'm still waiting for Obama to take away the guns.

 

I mean the amount of times the same BS is used again and again, the gullibility of the GOP - Trickle Down is a failed construct, the Dems are not taking away the 2A, Universal healthcares saves you money, it is just shocking how ignorant the GOP talking points are...

DD

 

You are the one who said: "Wut? It's exactly names like this is why they have failed."

 

Many of the GOP voters are.

DD