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Can Steph carry his own team thread.

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by jiggyfly, Dec 22, 2020.

  1. durvasa

    durvasa Contributing Member

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    They were a deep team. Two all-stars. One superstar player. No one projected them to be nearly as good as they ended up being. That was a perfect example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts. They didn’t have the individual talent level of the Miami super teams, or this year’s Nets teams. The Cavs were arguably more talented but I believe they had injuries to Irving and Love in the playoffs.

    That’s why I said you win with a combination of talent, smarts, chemistry, and luck.
     
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  2. Easy

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    I don't have time to look back over 60+ pages. Just look at this, 4 posts before:

    This poster keeps arguing that Curry is not that good an offensive player without a stacked team. Read the posts of HP3 and HardenVolumeOne and you know what I'm talking about. But they aren't the only ones.
     
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  3. Major

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    Isn't that the whole point, though? Curry's impact on games doesn't have to show in his individual stats. He runs around in circles, and because of his ability to shoot, defenses have to chase him around and get caught up in what he's doing. That frees up other players to take advantage of defensive mistakes - without Curry ever needing to touch the ball. That's the whole premise behind what makes that motion system so effective. Everyone on the court's skills are maximized by having him on the court doing his thing.
     
  4. HP3

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    What? Dude I was just refuting the claims that his TS% is back to what it was before his super team. His offensive impact is great but it’s not at the level it once was. He’s still an amazing offensive player but his team’s success currently is on the defensive end. He’s also been very feat or famine this season. You should read my other posts on what I think of Curry. He’s one of the great players ever but currently with less talent on his roster his offensive impact isn’t as great. If you want to see someone who is actually hard carrying on offense right now, you should look at Nikola Jokic.
     
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  5. HP3

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    Dude’s try so hard to be “objective” on here, they see anyone who corrects them and tries to group them as a Curry hater or Harden Stan.
     
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    wiggins and oubre were 19 ppg scorers before they even got to the warriors
     
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    jokic is insane, cant believe i used to make fun of this guy when harden and the rockets would own him for years. He has taken his game to another level
     
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    Harden and Luka are better then Curry .
     
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    to me this is similar to miami's team last year... a mediocre talent yet huge success (if it werent for the injuries to 2 key players)

    cf were laughing at butler for going solo and refusing to team up with harden but he almost did it and he went further than harden

    now last year miamis team definitely has some talent but its only because we backward rationalize it... they were projected to be a mediocre team , pretenders at best , going nowhere... just like the gsw of 2014
     
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    That 73 win team lost after leading 3-1 if that was Harden he would never hear the end of it.

    So you agree that Curry is not the talent of Harden?

    That's my entire point.
     
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    Curry isn't the talent of Harden but he's more of a winner. Curry was wise enough to know everything shouldn't revolve around him and was able to create a system to go along with under Kerr.
     
  12. Easy

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    Here are his TS% through the years.
    09-10 .568
    10-11 .595
    11-12 .605
    12-13 .589
    13-14 .610
    14-15 .638
    15-16 .669
    16-17 .624
    17-18 .675
    18-19 .641
    19-20 .557 (injured, played only 5 games)
    20-21 .603

    2014-15 is the year when the Warriors started to be great.

    I am so tired of arguing with you. It's always Harden, Harden, Harden. Everybody is not good compared to Harden. Every argument from you is to prop up Harden.
     
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  13. jiggyfly

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    The reason he was able to "create" :rolleyes: a system like that is because he had talented players around him to play that style.

    That has nothing to do with him being a winner.

    Draymond was the key to everything when he started playing big minutes that team took of, kinda like they did this year when Draymond started playing after being injured.
     
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    You know you just made his point for him right?
     
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    to be fair we are on a rockets board where people has seen and compared who can truly carry teams farthest to the playoffs by himself for a decade

    and this thread is about ability to carry teams
     
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    Let's not be naïve, Harden and Curry have different games and philosophies. Obviously surrounding talent matters, but Harden had some talented teams too. We had the best regular season Rockets record under Harden, no? We led the best team ever created double digits going into halftime but couldn't score a basket with Harden because we kept driving and shooting 3s?

    I don't understand why you have this belief that Harden was just a helpless bystander in all of this....
     
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  17. daywalker02

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    Kam the Worrier.

     
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    You forgot.

    Harden, Harden, Harden.

    Dribble, dribble, dribble.
     
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    Yes, and why do you think that's the case? Draymond Green is a great passer but a poor playmaker. His offensive impact relies on his teammates creating a defensive breakdown. In other words, no single star could unlock Green's offensive potential like Curry.
     
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  20. Easy

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    I am not making anybody's point. I was talking to another poster about Curry's performance this season, and HP3 jumped in the argue about a stat I mentioned because he somehow perceived that it was a slight to his hero Harden.

    BTW, I forgot to include you to the company of HP3 and HardenVolumeOne. My bad.
     
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