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[THE WEEK] Trump is the "Least Bad" President in Recent Memory

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  1. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
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    . . . so he's got THAT going for him, which is nice.

    https://theweek.com/articles/815101/case-optimism-about-trump

    The case for optimism about Trump
    January 2, 2019
    Matthew Walther

    Various commentators and publications (including some from TheWeek.com) have already declared Donald Trump the worst president in American history. This seems to me wrongheaded, and not just because I have certain misgivings about the very idea of presidential rankings. But I can say without hesitation that Trump is not only far from our worst president, but a much better one than both of his immediate predecessors.

    This should not be such a hard argument to make. Iraq alone should and ultimately will seal George W. Bush's reputation as one of the least qualified men ever to hold the title of commander-in-chief. Nice guy. Would love to catch a ball game with him or talk about painting at a Houston barbecue. Charismatic, too — but also pollyannish, a failson, and a poor judge of character. If only Jeb were less of a dork.

    Barack Obama was, at least initially, a brilliant rhetorician. But his achievements in office were few. The Affordable Care Act was at best a stopgap and at worst a sop to insurance companies, whose stranglehold over the provision of medical care is now all but unbreakable. On the advice of Hillary Clinton, he overthrew Muammar Gaddafi, the mad eccentric who had ruled Libya for many years. The result is the migration crisis that has destroyed European social democracy. No president has done more to speed up the destruction of the post-war world order than Obama, albeit unwittingly. His only significant attempt at diplomacy, the nuclear deal made with Iran, was a meaningless formal exercise in making a deal for its own sake.

    Trump himself is a mediocre president at best. But there are reasons to be optimistic about his future in office. Chief among these is his increasing willingness to be the ringmaster at his own circus. That Trump's instincts are better than those of his advisers is inarguable. Among the achievements of so-called adults in the room such as outgoing Defense Secretary James Mattis and outgoing Chief of Staff John Kelly were an erstwhile indefinite commitment to war in Syria and Afghanistan, the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court, and the policy of parental separation at the U.S. border.

    Trump is attempting, by fits and starts and with the irresolution of a man who does not care about or understand details, to remake the nature of America's alliances. These have been based on sentimentality to the detriment of both American interests and world peace. He is trying likewise to undo the regime of globalized free trade that has made the rich wealthier while destroying American industry and covering our planet in disposable toxic junk made by slaves. His motivations might not be lofty or even coherent, but the high ideals that animated his predecessors didn't get them very far. Trump may be a boor, but he is not a fool. In foreign affairs he has been both prudent and wise.

    On domestic policy it is harder to find anything good to say about his two years in office. One unexpected bright spot, however, is the criminal justice reform bill he signed into law recently. This legislation reverses the capricious Clinton-era policies that have brutalized at least two generations of American men. The 2017 GOP tax bill was pointless, expensive, and futile. Even the president barely seems to remember that it happened. The priorities of the Republican party are not his own; he must make this explicit going forward.

    It is on immigration that I think Trump has shown himself at his worst. It is not clear to me that he cares even slightly about this issue beyond what he (rightly, alas) perceives to be its extraordinary propaganda value. Many of us who support some degree of restriction on immigration do so because we do not want to see American wages decline further and because we believe it is wrong to create a permanent servant caste in a country whose citizens should be considered equals. If he were concerned about these things, he would concentrate his energies on reducing the number of workers given temporary visas, which would force corporations to increase wages. Instead Trump's concerns seem to be with "illegal immigration," a proceduralist bugbear. I hope the cheap PR is worth it.

    The best thing we can hope for is a future in which Trump continues with his present course on foreign policy and trade. He should continue to disregard the advice of the congressional Republican leadership, which cannot pass bills for him anyway, and that of the wider conservative movement. He ought to consider making some outré hires — Jim Webb for secretary of defense, for example. He should revert back to his 2015-era views in support of single-payer health care in some form, and use it as a wedge issue against the leadership of both political parties. A press conference in which Trump stands shoulder to shoulder with incoming Congresswoman Democratic Alexandria Ocasio Cortez and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) against incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to announce his plan for diamond-plated universal TrumpCare "like you wouldn't believe" would be glorious. He should also work out an infrastructure bill capable of passing the House and the Senate.

    I do not expect all of these things to happen, but if even a few of them do, Trump will be the least bad president America has elected in my lifetime.


     
  2. NewRoxFan

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    LOL, the federalist writer even says the things that would make trump "the least bad" president of all time will not happen. And that is coming from a conservative blogger/writer.
     
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    This was a good laugh. Good to see satire is alive and well
     
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    Article cherry-picks random things I don't believe are true as the evidence to support the idea that Trump is better than his predecessors. An historians' survey, like this one by C-Span, at least defines metrics before comparing presidents (if a comparison really must be done). In this one, presidents are being judged on:

    * Public persuasion: Trump is effective at communicating through twitter, but is terrible at persuading people who don't already agree with him.
    * Crisis leadership: If this refers to how well a president can plunge a country into crisis, he probably wins this one.
    * Economic management: TBD, imo. Trumpers of course will point to the Trump Bump and say how great the tax break will be. Might even say the trade wars will be worth it in the end. I'm not so bullish, so let's wait and see.
    * Moral authority: Lol. Last!
    * International relations: Nukes the friendships we have, and can't quite manage to befriend the dictators he wants to befriend either.
    * Administrative skills: High churn in the cabinet, many unaddressed vacancies, and shut down the government on purpose. Advocates might point to all the deregulation his minions have done.
    * Relations with congress: Hasn't passed anything besides the tax reform bill even though Republicans are all afraid of him. Couldn't even get $5B out of a Republican-controlled Congress for his wall. Flirting with impeachment. Can't score too high.
    * Vision/setting agenda: Is good at having his own vision for the country. Unfortunately for him, only a minority share it.
    * Pursued equal justice for all: lol.
     
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  5. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    Oh brother.
     
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    So far, Bush was definitely worst. Hell if Trump pulls us out of all the wars then I might put him over Obama, and that’s just to show the gravity of ending our wars.
     
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    Least bad president in recent memory...

    if you are suffering from Korsaskoff's Syndrome.
     
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    Based on his last statement, he must be about 20 years old.
     
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    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    The worst president in recent memory is hands down GWB. Iraq was such a waste of life time and resources. That and his flooding the financial markets with cheap debt were disastrous.

    Trump's blemishes right now are mostly lack of decorum. The market has tanked recently but it was overhauled on we finally got a guy like Trump hype. We will see how the tariff war plays out.

    Hysteria over decisions like Syria are just that, hysteria. I don't defend Trump's policies but compared to GWB most of the Trump stuff is noise. The dude isnt presidential and never will be but thats not the end of the world.
     
  10. Os Trigonum

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    that's impeachable
     
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    So do we have 2 trillion dollars more debt now ... . or not?

    Rocket River
     
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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    This line in the piece I found the most telling.
    "That Trump's instincts are better than those of his advisers is inarguable."
    Even two years ago that was laughable.

    Anyone who had followed Trump's career should've known that Trump Presidency was going to be a con and very unlikely to end well. For as shocking as Jan. 6 I was expecting something like that to have happened earlier.
     
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    Well, they were wrong. trump is far and away worst president ever. Makes Nixon look like a choirboy.
     
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    I disliked Bush a lot, but he was no where near as bad for the Nation as Trump. Bush did create a sharp divide in the country but it was passive, just from policy. Trump intentionally fanned the flames of division so that it erupted an attack on Congress. Is there even a need to list anything else +/- ?
     
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    Make America Least Bad in the Eyes of One Columnist for Four Years
     

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