Did I sleep through the summer? There was an actual attempt to overthrow the White House in the summer? People stormed in with weapons and combat gear and the means to take hostages?
Have you ever wondered what the right wingnut echo chamber is spouting without actually having to watch Fox News/NewsMax.AON? The likely suspects here usually start a thread with "good" intentions to cover what the MSM is ignoring. I am not saying that the likely suspects here watch Fox et al; it is just that they live in the right wingnut echo chamber where friends and family keep them updated. Back to topic ... I suspect that those "news" sources are 24x7 reporting that 1 of the 100s rioters was a liberal, socialist ANTIFA BLM plant.
Ok, stop deflecting. We are talking about this individual, no other groups. That's another discussion, another debate.
Jihadi BLM John there was a breach of restrictive barriers and had the police not had adequate security there would have been unimpeded sedition by infiltration of the White House where the protesters had melee weapons of rocks and bottles. Keep in mind, a vast majority of the Capitol infiltrated were not armed. Again had we imposed tougher sentencing back then it may have been a deterrent for future mob injustice riots https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ge-floyd-protests-washington-dc-a9540716.html and this actually was mild compared to the Nov WhiteHouse incident
There were no whitehouse seditionists this summer. But I heard this phrase before in the trumpism circle. Trump IS the state. Everyone that is against Trump are thus seditionists. You are right that if everyone against the Trump was locked up, there would not be this violent attack on the State Capital. This is what Trumpism want. With that said, there were clear messages sent. Some of them: 1- "Stand back and stand by" was literally spoken by Trump on national TV toward the Proud Boys and literally taken by insurrectionists as, stand back, be ready. 2- An armed mob filled the Michigan state capitol this past summer. In Dec, another armed mob stormed the Oregon's state capital, breaking glass doors and windows, sprayed chemical and even engaged in a standoff with police. Trump not only didn't condemn them, he said they are very good people and that the Gov should give in to their demands. 3- His pardons his criminal co-conspirators and murderers. This is squarely on Trump and the seditionist caucus in Congress.
Trump didn’t help matters in the Capitol episode clearly ...there were also the Portland attempts at violent acts against a federal building I didn’t even mention, you also can’t attempt to invade the whitehouse just as you can’t attempt to invade the Capitol. That’s as much seditious as the other based on attempt ...the only difference is Security was crazy lax at the Capitol building, had security been as lax during 2020 riot invasion attempts at the whitehouse, (the secret security had to rush to erect a barrier and man power to thwart the sedition attempts) we would have seen people inside, likely breaking windows, likely walking around carrying items and perhaps even looking for Trump just as much clearly when there is an attempt to breach towards the whitehouse and menace or threaten a sitting President, that is as much sedition as an attempt to breach and menace or threaten members of Congress or a VP at the Capitol. I’m simply calling it as I see it. I’m not excusing the Capitol acts because I clearly set my stance on that
"LIBERATE MICHIGAN" .... no, he didn't help. He was exactly a big part of the problem and continue to be. If there were 10k+ people trying to push through the WH barrier and into the whitehouse in a sudden move over a period of hours, it would have gotten through to some level. The reason that didn't happen is because there were no attempts. As for federal buildings, what was the message sent by Bill Barr --- throw the book at them, even charge them with sedition. He backed up those message with federal troops in Portland. And remember what happen in D.C.? Trump sent out unidentifiable troops to tear gas and push peaceful protesters away for a photo op. There is a message here that is clear. We will go after BLM protesters hard. Trump will support violence against his political rival. He also dangled the power of his pardon. It's pretty simple. The idea that BLM protesters were handled with kid gloves is false and that THAT contribute to the insurrection is completely false.
A lot of it is based on politics and who you perceive as on your side. Correct ..however to me it doesn’t matter if it was 10k people or 1k people. Cross restricted barriers and they should be equally charged
I’m not trying to just argue for the sake of arguing @txtony , you are a reasonable person I enjoy to discuss things with unlike some others that just troll and nothing but ..you bring up some good valid points of discussion and I think besides the instance at the whitehouse we are on the same page
I remember seeing the guy on some of the videos. He stood out as virtually the only black (I assume) guy. He was just there walking among the crowd entering the inside the building. I believe he should be charged minimally like some of the others. I believe that a felony charge with something like 10 yrs can be applicable, It is hard to even say whether he is right or left or just self promoting. I would put the non-violent on some sort of probation and consider possibly consider reducing to a misdemanor if appropriate. In the case of this bizaare nutjob provacateur? probably felony probation with restriction to avoid demonstrations or be revoked and do some time. You must severely punish some of these folks with years in prison and at least manslaughter.
Feeds into the stupid narrative that antifa was responsible. If one or two in thousands that is all the MAGA folks need for their narrative.
There is no minimal charges or probation in incidents where 5 people lost their lives, including a cop who was murdered. This dude will spend some time in prison.
The dude John Sullivan was not involved in the murders as far as I know. All 2,000 or so folks who entered the Capitol will not be charged, much less convicted of being accessories to murder, like say the getaway driver of a failed robbery at a convenience store that all of a sudden turned into murder.
Of course most of the people won't be charged with murder, but the other charges will stick, and possibly additional charges like Sedetious conspiracy. This will not be your usual "trespass" charges. The feds want to make sure something like this insurrection never happens again.
He's on video egging the crowd on. He might not be accessory to murder but his actions fit the definition of incitement. Whatever his motivation what he did was very serious and I hope they throw the book at him. Also whether he was the only black man there, he wasn't, shouldn't matter at all.
...you need that one black man there to prove that this is black people's fault. ...Black Lives Matter protests proved that the only way to get change in society in your favor is to attempt a violent overthrow of the United States government by installing an illegitimate (pre and post-election) president into office by force. ...you know, if nobody paid any attention to that last part... ...you'd almost believe that somebody other than the insurrectionists who attempted a violent overthrow of the United States government by installing an illegitimate (pre and post-election) president into office by force, actually did attempt a violent overthrow of the United States government by installing an illegitimate (pre and post-election) president into office by force. ...or believe that somebody else other than those insurrectionists who attempted a violent overthrow of the United States government by installing an illegitimate (pre and post-election) president into office by force will make one damn bit of difference once the federal prosecutors start their magical conviction tours...
He's charged with whatever laws he broke. The law doesn't care where on the political spectrum you are. He's an idiot for egging on those Trumpsters "in order to blend in" so he could "document it without drawing suspicion." This doesn't make this a left-wing riot you realize?
He's basically a amatuer journalistic. This is his shtick apparently. He does the egging on to blend in so he doesn't get attacked (appearing as one of them). Regardless, he should be prosecuted.