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Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

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  1. Reeko

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    I’m waiting to see just how many in Congress or in positions of power get implicated
     
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    that's just a new tourist activity / attraction just like those mystery or escape rooms
     
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  4. vlaurelio

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    because they were there as tourists - @durvasa
     
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  5. vlaurelio

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    no need to round up tourists
     
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    America has fallen to the point that this is conceivable... we has law enforcement officers participating, and possibly even elected officials.

    Lawmakers who conspired with Capitol attackers in legal peril
    If any members of Congress are proven to have colluded with the rioters, their position likely won't save them from criminal liability.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/14/lawmakers-capitol-attackers-legal-459519
     
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    Crazy liar congresswoman gets caught in another lie...

     
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  8. vlaurelio

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    she's clearly trying to out crazy trump to save him
     
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    most are actually condemning the firefighters
     
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    Juuuuust... a bit outside.

     
  12. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    I didn't watch the video (Olbermann, yuck), but Clinton pardoned people between his impeachment and acquittal. The clause can be read and would must certainly be argued that you can pardon anyone except someone that is impeached.
     
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    That is very interesting and yes Article II Section 2 of the Constitution does say that. I'm guessing this has never been tested in a court but it might be another thing where Trump stretches the norms of Constitution.
     
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    For those who are still clinging to the idea that the 'Shaman' was just a failed actor playing a bit and probably an Antifa plant. Also for those who still want to argue that Trump had nothing to do with this.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/15/attorney-qanon-shaman-trump-pardon-459608

    ‘He has an obligation to them’: Attorney for ‘QAnon shaman’ asks Trump to pardon rioters
    Jacob Chansley, a 33-year-old man from Phoenix, was one of the most recognizable perpetrators of the Capitol siege.

    In an interview on CNN, attorney Albert Watkins said his client, Jacob Chansley, “felt like he was answering the call of our president” when he stormed the nation’s seat of government last Wednesday during a riot that resulted in the deaths of at least five people.

    Chansley, a 33-year-old man from Phoenix also known as Jake Angeli, was one of the most recognizable perpetrators of the Capitol siege. He carried a spear, wore a furry horned headdress and painted his face in shades of red, white and blue.

    indicted by federal prosecutors in connection with the violence at the Capitol. He was charged with a felony violation of the Federal Anti-Riot Act, as well as obstruction of Congress and other offenses.

    In a filing on Thursday, prosecutors said Chansley was as “an active participant in” and “the most prominent symbol of” what they described as a “violent insurrection.” Prosecutors also said Chansley had expressed his intention of returning to Washington, D.C., for President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration next week.

    The language in the filing suggests more severe charges, such as sedition or insurrection, could be coming for those involved in the siege.

    Watkins, Chansley’s attorney, said on Thursday that his client, “like a lot of other disenfranchised people in our country, felt very, very, very solidly in sync” with the president — suggesting Chansley was incited to storm the Capitol in Trump’s name.

    “He felt like his voice was, for the first time, being heard,” Watkins said. “And what ended up happening, over the course of the lead-up to the election, over the course of the period from the election to Jan. 6 — it was a driving force by a man he hung his hat on, he hitched his wagon to. He loved Trump. Every word, he listens to him.”

    Prior to the Capitol siege, the president, his family members and his political allies riled up his supporters at a rally on the White House Ellipse. When it was his turn to speak, Trump urged those in attendance to march on the Capitol amid Congress’ certification of Biden’s Electoral College victory.

    We all have to understand that the words that were spoken by the president meant something, not just to my client. They meant something to a lot of people,” Watkins said in his interview.

    “They listened to those words. And those words meant something to them. And they had a right to rely on the words of their president that was strewed forth worldwide,” he said. “And they did. And now they’re turning around [and] they’re getting arrested, as well many should be.”

    Nevertheless, Trump “needs to stand up and own these people,” Watkins argued. “He has an obligation to them. He has an obligation to our nation. It’s not going to happen.”

    Pressed by host Chris Cuomo on what exactly he would like Trump to do, Watkins replied: “Oh, give a pardon.”

    As Chansley’s attorney, “my role is not to judge somebody. My role is to be an advocate,” Watkins said. “If there’s one iota of a chance that the guy who’s the president of our country — who invited everybody down Pennsylvania [Avenue] — will give my client a pardon, you know what? I’m going to do it.”

    Watkins acknowledged, however, that his plea was unlikely to succeed. “Am I holding my breath thinking that Donald Trump is going to be sitting around going, ‘You know what? … What’s the name of that guy with the horns? Yeah … let’s give him a pardon.’”

    But “with Trump, you never know,” Watkins said. “He may say, ‘I want the guy with the horns.’ Next thing you know, maybe he’s represented by the shaman instead of Rudy Giuliani.”

    Watkins went on to compare the president’s supporters who stormed the Capitol to the Jonestown cult members who committed mass suicide at their settlement in Guyana in 1978: “You know the only thing different here? There’s no Kool-Aid.”
     
  16. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Clinton pardoned people after his impeachment and before his acquittal.
     
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    The Kash Patel smoking gun?

     
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    The feds interviewed the Shaman and found him to be mentally unstable. The dude thinks he is an alien that is on earth to do some job. Lol.

    Chansley's attorney best legal plan is to plea insanity. I mean, totally believable. After all, who goes around dressed in horns and carrying a 6-feet spear?
     
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    #1 He was never in the military, so he doesn't need to be wearing a frog suit or playing make believe SEAL Team 6. It makes him creepy and pathetic and I would argue it is extremely offensive.
    #2 He is a bartender. He has no formal training at all other than paint ball tournaments on the weekend.
    #3 He lives with his MAGA mom
    #4 He care prepared with high grade zip ties that are used to tie up hostages.
    #5 He needs to spend the 2020's in federal prison and if there is more evidence connecting him to a conspiracy, he needs to be tried for treason and sedition. The penalty for treason in the USA is 5 years in federal prison up to and including death. The penalty for sedition is up to 20 years in prison.

    These people that were planning to, and did enter the Capitol building to stop congress and the senate need to be tried for treason. Those that were on message boards organizing these rallies and calling for entering the Capitol need to be tried for sedition. Those congressmen that did a walk through, and cannot provide a believable explanation need to be charged with treason and sedition.

    After a lot of thought, we need to come down very hard on all of these people like we did on the Whiskey Rebellion. Those that were actively involved, they need to be punished very hardly and that includes those in government so that the ground work is laid that this is not going to be acceptable in the future.

    Politicans also need to know that they cannot simply fire up groups of people to commit crimes, then walk away and say "not my fault".
     
  20. Dubious

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    Seth Abramson:

    Uh...is this a message from Proud Boy James Sullivan on Giuliani's phone, referencing having access to Trump stooge and Giuliani associate Kash Patel at the Pentagon? Because either this is that—in which case it's a smoking gun against the president—or I have no idea what it is.
     
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