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The Offense - Last Year vs This Year

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by aelliott, Jan 11, 2021.

  1. jordnnnn

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    Didn’t you know? Lebron gains his ability to be bigger and stronger and better than everyone by taking those 3 mid range jumpers every game. Without them he would easily be contained because everyone would know what he was going to do.
     
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  2. jerryclark

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    but they dont

    What we really need is a number to show shooting averages on 3s and drives when also attempting a certain amount of midrange shots per game
     
  3. pr0wler

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    Harden not having the most shots on the team is a travesty. The best 1 on 1 player of all-time should be allowed to ISO constantly.
     
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    theres something important that is common to this year and the last year

    Rockets dont practice shooting 3s.
    I mean if youre nwaba or tate or even harden how you are not shooting 1000 3s or even 2000 3s today?
    3pt shot is such a pivotal weapon in todays basketball

    if youre nwaba and you know you gonna get tons of open looks playing alongside harden how can you not lock yourself up in the gym and shoot 3s until going to bed?

    you lucked into having a starting job , perhaps youll never be a starter again in NBA and you cant knock down a wide open 3? lolol

    take a random guy from the street and make him shoot 2000 3s, 7 days in a row , theres no way in hell he doesn't immediately become a much improved shooter...

    and these are pro athletes and coaches
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    aelliott brilliant as always.

    Silas should show this thread to Wall and Wood. Tell them to cut out the midrange nonsense.
     
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  6. aelliott

    aelliott Contributing Member

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    How exactly does taking a shot that we are terrible at shooting help with anything?

    As I said, there's a reason that the midrange shot is being avoided by most every team.
     
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    obviously because it opens up more shots when the opposing team doesnt only have to cover 20 percent of the the court right?
     
  8. Ramo$e

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    Only problem is. They have stopped him. Numerous times. We've tried that many years now.
     
  9. JayGoogle

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    Some people believe in analytics as if it were cult, you'll never convince them that midrange shots can be valuable or that yes, of course if you as a player only take two kind of shots it makes you more predictable. Doesn't mean you can be stopped, but if you never take mid range shots the defense knows when you drive you're always going to either put up a layup or kick it out

    Of course, if a player is bad at shooting them then he should not shoot them, that's true for any kind of shot on the court. You don't want Shaq in his prime shooting threes after all...

    But the argument is can the shot be valuable? Yes, Lebron uses them, usually as a post fade away, he doesn't come off screens for them or anything but he himself swears by the mid range game and so do many other top players and coaches. These guys all know about analytics but they don't sweat fealty to it. A good shot is a good shot and an open shot can't sometimes be passed up on depending on the situation and the game etc.

    As for the value of the shot, just look at the Spurs. Two mid range players that make their offense run and tick. Telling Derozan to move behind the 3 point line is a bad idea, he's no good there, but he lives in the mid-range and that's more than find for Popovic.

    Also, while 3.7 shots sounds like not a lot, that's a good chunk of shots. Then you see guys like Kawhi at 5.7, it's not like these guys are taking 30 shots per game.
     
  10. Ramo$e

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    HoF's need to choose one. He can't handle and shoot. I mean he can, because he has, but it didn't work. If Harden doesn't want to give up the ball we need to find a better allstar caliber SG to pair Harden with. JW shouldn't be shooting 3's unless he is wide open. Harden is our best shooter and is best suited saving his energy for getting open and shooting shots, but he wants to be a point guard. Passing to a bunch of kids and short veterans with niche shots. We need a athletic rebounding PF that could hit the occasional 3. Preferable someone that could move good laterally on defense. Also about 6'6.
     
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    They stopped him by doubling him at half court which means the rest of the team couldn't do anything with a 4 on 3.5 advantage. Maybe we should have fixed that first. We pretty much did what our opponents wanted us to do which take the ball out of Harden's hands, but no they don't even have to double team him. That's stupid.
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    Only cover 20 percent of the court?

    Are you new to basketball?
     
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    And yet we have had some of the most efficient and prolific offenses in NBA history.

    And thats with having only 2.5 capable ball handlers on the team.

    How does that happen?
     
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  14. Nook

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    “Jeremy Lin isn’t walking through that door... and if he does, he will still suck and be a joke.”

    James Harden didn’t come up with some master plan on how to run the offense eight years ago and he currently isn’t deciding the system the Rockets run... his isolations are down 50% because that is what his coach wants....
     
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    The biggest thing is the we're scoring much less on isolations, which should have been completely expected because the proportion of isolations in the MDA/Harden system was an historical outlier. Less isolations were basically inevitable, unless the plan was to retain the same offense we had before.

    As for the efficiency numbers, it is what it is -- not great -- but it's too early to judge (in my view) whether what Silas is trying to do on offense is a mistake or not.
     
  16. jerryclark

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    The spurs are a perfect example. Remember how easy it was for 40 year old broke down manu to block harden from behind because he knew we needed a 3 to tie? Or when kawhi chased him down and blocked the **** out of him too when he tried going for a layup on a final possession?

    Being unpredictable doesnt show up on your efg% but its conducive to winning basketball. Half court situation, how many times have you seen one of our players close out the a game with a layup? It doesnt happen. Its rare even for other teams that are far less predictable.

    This is easily the main reason why the narrative for harden changed from premiere closer to playoff choker. And its honestly true when even absolute scrubs like lu dort can game plan against you in a 7 game series and look good. Now factor in that everyone else on the team is even worse at shooting and playmaking. Nobodies saying to turn away from efficiency but you have to diversify your game
     
  17. jerryclark

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    what a worthless post
     
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    Look at this man. They have no clue how to stop this mother****er. His last shot is a wide open free throw. You just cant close out games consistently when your only shot selection is 3s and layups

     
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  19. Stephen_A

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    Not that hard. Wall is taking up possessions cutting into Harden’s usage rate. Wall is the issue. I firmly believe he needs to come in as the 6th man and lead that bench charge. Gordon is better suited as Harden’s SG. Give Harden the ball and let the man operate. Not that hard.
     
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  20. Texanasiafan

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    That's why I kept saying most of the posters are just delusional like Trump fans.

    You just think that James Harden didn't see this coming and the reason he requested for a trade is just to join his former coach and GM?

    For all those fans cheering for the Woods and Cousins signing and think they have found the next AD and rim protector, have they ever thought about why Capela is playing like Capela maybe just because he was asked to do that?

    Why his ISO was down? Have you also checked why his FTA was the lowest since he left OKC?

    Where is the forking lane and space for him to drive or draw fouls?

    Stop saying about his coach wanting him to shoot more midrange or pass the ball that kind of sh't, you clearly don't have any clues.
     

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