1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Playing Off The Ball

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Jan 10, 2021.

  1. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,566
    Likes Received:
    29,009
    What does that look like?
    Bunch of dudes running figure 8s?
    Running around the top doing dribble hand offs?

    Rocket River
     
    HP3 and D-rock like this.
  2. kjayp

    kjayp Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,674
    Likes Received:
    7,432
    boxing out, jockeying for position, cutting, setting picks, etc...ie - not standing at half court disinterested bc its 'the other guys turn' on offense...

    side note - remember when people on here were saying that James standing at halfcourt (totally removed from the play) was part of MDAs masterful strategy to create spacing... yeh... people can rationalize anything... lol!
     
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,321
    Likes Received:
    18,323
    To be honest, a full on leader understands that you have to defer to a lesser player sometimes to massage their ego and motivation. Harden is not good at that. He is who he is: great scorer, passer and rebounder. He's better with the ball in his hands than practically everyone in the world, so it's never statistically going to be a good idea but second stars are usually people who are accepting a new fate. Some leadership is necessary to help them flourish.

    Alternatively you can pair him with another MVP-calibre player like Durant or Anthony Davis and he will deliver you a title. He almost did it with CP3, against arguably the most talented team in NBA history. Pair him with two like Lebron, and he'll deliver you a dynasty.

    We never gave this era its chance tbh. It's absurd looking back that we were pinching pennies with a perennial MVP candidate on the roster.
     
    HP3, D-rock and Rocket River like this.
  4. KingLeoric

    KingLeoric Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2008
    Messages:
    2,736
    Likes Received:
    803
    Is there any other star players out there that do not play off the ball at all?
     
  5. realonemo

    realonemo Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2017
    Messages:
    391
    Likes Received:
    576
    Westbrook lol
     
    D-rock likes this.
  6. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,321
    Likes Received:
    18,323
    Here's a thought: maybe when you hold the ball more than anyone in NBA history for half a decade, you kind of lose the rhythm of playing off ball. Some of it must be mental rust. Literally no one ever has played less off the ball than Harden. I'm sure it's easy to get back, but it may not be in an instant.

    Perhaps his catch and shoot rhythm will improve through the season. I'm still ok with winning fewer regular season games if it means the GM, coach and the rest of the roster have to learn how to avoid being embarrassed when Harden sits or plays off the ball.
     
    HP3 and Easy like this.
  7. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    Except Curry is also playing some ISO ball and doing whatever needed to push the GSW.

    Nobody is trying to make Harden an off ball player but expand his game so his teammates do better. It's just a lack of imagination on your part .
     
    kjayp likes this.
  8. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,589
    Likes Received:
    27,194
    Bro "team ball" sucks.

    Bring back Harden ISOs - at least we had a chance to win with those.
     
    HP3 and D-rock like this.
  9. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    We don't have an iso ball team anymore..... We had an elite defense supporting Harden's iso ball. We no longer have that.

    Also Harden is still ISOing, just not as much.
     
  10. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    I get it though..... some of yall would prefer losing in a "more comfortable way" with heavy isoball.
     
    kjayp likes this.
  11. aelliott

    aelliott Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 1999
    Messages:
    5,581
    Likes Received:
    4,185
    This year Harden is shooting 44.4% on catch and shoot 3's. How much more do you expect him to improve?
     
    HP3 and D-rock like this.
  12. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,589
    Likes Received:
    27,194
    Id like not to lose by double digits vs "contenders" if that is what is considered "team ball"

    Just give Silas a chance right?
     
    D-rock likes this.
  13. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    Sure... lets go back to playing the style that we almost lost a series to Dort and CP3....

    Yes, give Silas a chance.
     
  14. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 1999
    Messages:
    61,566
    Likes Received:
    29,009
    Isn't that basically a worse version of that
    We lessened Harden's roles
    and
    Gave Westbrook's role to Wall

    Rocket River
     
    D-rock likes this.
  15. Mr Woods

    Mr Woods Member

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2020
    Messages:
    1,175
    Likes Received:
    3,013




    Turns out, a lot of it is just poor effort.
     
  16. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,589
    Likes Received:
    27,194
    "almost"

    why not talk about the LA series where they beat us at our own game?

    Silas will be successful when he understands he has an unstoppable player on his team and quits trying to install team ball BS.

    I wanted the Silas that was supposedly responsible for the Mavs offense and the way they used Luka - not this. Yuck.
     
    D-rock likes this.
  17. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    35,192
    Likes Received:
    24,220
    Do more catch and shoot? Isn't it the whole point of this thread?
     
  18. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,752
    Likes Received:
    6,435
    Yep. Harden is trash, the Rockets should trade him.
     
  19. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    I mean sure..... isn't it clear that the Lakers were and are head and shoulders better than the Rockets?

    Lebron + AD + elite defense + role players that stepped up? We had our own version during CP3's first year, but we don't have that team anymore.

    Sounds like you are just going to be disappointed since your expectations don't line up to reality.
     
  20. TEXNIFICENT

    TEXNIFICENT Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    7,752
    Likes Received:
    6,435

    CP3 gets credit for ANYTHING! Getting injured, almost won, etc.....

    It's amazing.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now