Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

So what is the difference between what people are saying today: "there is a 1000% wealth gap per median household between the two largest racial groups in the country. What do you expect?". That isn't condoning riots. That is acknowledging how the riots happen because the key to problem solving is understanding how the problem happened.

Reducing the frequency of riots never happened because of public service announcements. They were reduced either through fascist "law and order" techniques or actually addressing the root issues. Those are the only two ways you reduce the frequency of riots.

 

This is one of the stupidest things I have read in quite a while. 90% clients are black suddenly makes you an expert on their situation?

You are a semi-illiterate, who thinks he is an expert on something he knows little to nothing about

 

In the his speech the Two Americas he said "Let me say as I've always said, and I will always continue to say, that riots are socially destructive and self-defeating. I'm still convinced that nonviolence is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for freedom and justice. I feel that violence will only create more social problems than they will solve. That in a real sense it is impracticable for the Negro to even think of mounting a violent revolution in the United States. So I will continue to condemn riots, and continue to say to my brothers and sisters that this is not the way. And continue to affirm that there is another way."

I saw a lot of people quoting "riot is the language of the unheard" without quoting that part. Without the full context of what MLK said that line did become a rationalization.

 

Dude do you even read my posts. I explicitly always say "riots are unproductive and immoral" everytime I state that realities of the ground. So what difference in rhetoric is he stating compared to me?

Do you like read the first line of my posts and then proceed to reply? Literally every single time I've made that similar sentiment that MLK did when bringing up that quote.

I mean you are arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. I've always acknowledged that riots are unproductive and harm the cause of justified activism. So what are you arguing here?

 

Sorry I had the statements backwards. That said a "normative" statement does imply a value judgement so there is a moral claim behind it. And yes you're not making "normative" claims but "positive' claims.

Also I just quoted MLK. My point has always been one of context. Simply stating "Normative" and "Positive" without greater contextual understanding is clouding the issue. In regard to what happened on Wednesday people like Marco Rubio are essentially making "positive" statements that the invasion of the Capitol is because people are angry that they feel the election was stolen from them.

Now there is far more context to understanding why these people might feel the election was stolen from them and what the repurcussions of the actions are but you just making a positive statement on it then does become a rationalization.

 

To be fair to you I don't have time to keep up with all the post so do miss some. That said in this instance I've stated the problem with falling back on the reliance of the particular terms.

 

This should be more than resignation. This should be accessory to a crime.

 

I hope law enforcement isn’t “unprepared” or “caught off guard”

 

The National Guard will be on duty until then, The Secret Service will be in charge not the Capital Police and the FBI tactical teams will be there too. The FBI guys did not wait for orders from Trump.

 

That is true. Marco Rubio is making a positive statement and I'm assuming he follows that up with stating that their methods are immoral and ineffective. The difference here is that Marco Rubio has to add an additional line that MLK doesn't after with "but understand that their feelings were a result of being brainwashed by false information by the president and his enablers like the right wing media apparatus and many GOP leaders".

When it comes to these riots regarding civil rights and wealth inequality issues, we don't need that addendum. I think you and I agree on that at least.

It's important to make these distinctions rather than trying to prove conservatives you are intellectually consistent. Yes it takes more time to acknowledge these differences than just saying "riots all bad". This desire to prove you are intellectually consistent is just used as rhetoric for conservatives label each cause as equals.

It's also important to make these distinctions to find accurate solutions to reduce the frequency of these riots. You reduce the frequency of the capitol riots by reducing misinformation. You reduce the frequency of the civil rights and wealth inequality issues by solving the problems of law enforcement culture and wealth inequality.

Edit: I also want to add that yes, many of the people who did storm the capitol building might have rightful grievances due to the nature of the economic trends over the past 40 or so years. But they didn't storm the Capitol for those reasons. They were brainwashed to misdirect their genuine frustrations at these culture war issues and the cult of personality that is Trump. So the solution to curb the violence from the extremist elements of those groups is correcting misinformation along with providing more economic oppurtines for many of these people. However it wasn't just economically disgruntled people that stormed that capitol. There were many well off people such as businesses owners and politicians. I would assume everyone that stormed the Capitol are true believers because you are risking felonies gor this. So these well off people weren't pandering when doing this. They were brainwashed from misinformation.

 

Cause: Maga terrorist attack
Results: 1 podium stolen.


Cause: Drug dealer with dead bodies in trunk had boyfriend who shot cop first, died in retaliation fire
Results: Entire cities burned down, hundreds crippled permanently, futures destroyed, millions looted while cops kindly escort looters out of stores

I mean... try to get some perspective instead of oozing with hate

 

I sincerely urge people not to engage with the person who just posted. He's not posting in good faith. Ignore him please.

 

We can always learn from the past but we cant stay there, the only thing that can create home ownership is hard work, education and commitment. Not self pity or poor cultural upbringings, if you want to ignore culture because to you its racist then that is fine. But rest assure you are the one holding these people back by telling them they were set up to fail years ago. By promoting false racism from others just simply because pointing out the real problem may be offensive and heartbreaking. Because now its racist to promote brave young men that will be fathers to their children and the importance of education. Its racist to critique black culture as a culprit in low wage areas because children grew up with no father and were never held accountable for their actions because there was never someone there to teach them right from wrong? Nah, culture must not have anything to with some of the higher crime rates being in poor black neighborhoods.

Am I racist? How does one even begin to answer such a question. No, I'm not. I'm Salvadorian from immigrant parents and grew up in some of the poorest parts of this city. I've shared a single bedroom with my sister and parents at some point because that's all we could afford. My first music tape ever as a kid was Eternal 1999 by Bone thugs. Grew up around poor blacks and Mexicans. To me these are just cultures and people not skin color, thankfully my father stuck around and with a lot of hard work was able to provide a bright future for me.

To fix the problem we must first recognize it, but continue ignoring it and see if it disappears. It wont.

 

Perspective? You're ignoring the CPO who was killed to start.

 

All of it pales into comparison to the results of BLM. Damage to property , lives, futures etc. But if you want to pretend one protest is good and the other is bad, you just create more problems. I have no issues condemning these protestors, but you also have to acknowledge BLM burning down a city because a guy was passed out drunk in a drive through, had a bunch of kids he coudln't afford, stole an officers weapon, turned to fire at him, and dying .... has nothing to do with racism. That's the issue, not whatever the media is feeding you

 

90% if my clients were black going through foreclosures and eviction. You think I was selling them car stereos at the flea market? I never said to be an expert, I said I had the opportunities to assess and advise closely in a lot of my client's lives. Their decisions, what put them there. Their upbringings and their current situation. Thanks for the judgement thou.

 

I'm sorry but if you don't understand the statistical probabilities of life such as the fact that a median family of the entire planet has worse outcomes in terms of crime, education, wealth etc compared to a family that has 1000% more wealth, than empathetic arguments aren't going to work I guess.

Look, I'm not going to convince you based on using empathetic arguments. So let me ask you this question. Name me a country on this planet where there is a 1000% wealth gap between the median households of the two largest racial groups of said country that doesn't experience sporadic riots and violence.

As @rocketsjudoka and I were debating between differentiating between normative and positive statements. Understand what I'm stating is a nature of reality. You create massive wealth gaps between races through racist practices like slavery and Redlining, expect massive wealth inequality and sporadic riots. That's human nature. Irs going to happen regardless of whether you like it or not. The only way to stop it is understanding how to solve that wealth gap and understanding how to solve our law enforcement culture. You and I want the same goal. Less riots. That's how you do it.

 

Ignore him.

 

and that it was a planned attack most likely with the help of trump. All so he could stay in power or seek revenge. People were targeting Pelosi, AOC, and Pence for hanging, shooting and executions...

 

I don't know if you're racist but you're definitely ignorant and maybe even really dumb.

And honestly it is incredibly annoying to have the same types of people promote the same ignorant, tired arguments about rap music and baggy pants being the firestarter of why black people are poor. Just a couple of better choices here and there and the blacks would be just as wealthy as the whites. Give me a ****ing break.