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Harden is a role player now?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Mr Woods, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    Carl be all like

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  2. Texanasiafan

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    and also don’t forget he is the odds favorite to win the MVP according to a MVP tracker.

    Oops, NVM, that’s ONE WEEK AGO.

    LMAO
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    Duhon, now there's one from the deep archives
     
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    Harden doesn’t score over 20 in 2 straight games and we’re asking if he’s a role player now...

    I see it’s comedy hour on the GARM

    Harden scored under 20 13 times in 16-17. In 14-15, he scored under 20 points 17 times and averaged just 27 ppg. Was he a role player back then too?

    Y’all forget that Harden didn’t really shoot that much before MDA. In 14-15, he averaged just 18 shots in 37 minutes.

    stop the nonsense
     
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    After his incredible midget ball stint last season
    No nba teams wanted him as a head coach
     
  7. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    Was Magic Johnson a “role player?”
     
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    #68 ApacheWarrior, Jan 9, 2021
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2021
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    and he's avergaing 27 and 11 right now. producing an average of 54 points a night

    resurrected john wall's career
    and turned undrafted chirstian wood into an all star
     
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    I dont understand role player. Was john stockton a role player? just because he got his team involved.?
     
  11. Astrodome

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    Averaging a 25-10+ is not really the definition of a role player. HOF role, if anything.
     
  12. Stephen_A

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    According to what Silas says and how they have played except for the first couple games where James was his usual dominant self, it’s evident that he has played much differently and less ball dominant last 3 games. The reason? We don’t know. His stats indicate his usage percentage is down from last year. His player efficiency is also down. He is still one of the PER leaders in the league at no 6. His usage percentage is still more than Wall’s but has decreased since first 3 games.

    My assessment based on all of this is that Silas has created a system that facilitates harden getting easier looks off skip passes, off ball screens etc to prevent those zone traps. The system also allows James to make better reads and be a facilitator making this offense go as we saw last night while picking and choosing his spots to attack. He is just finding himself in this offense it seems. James is playing hard out there on both ends. The lack of 30 or games is just not what fans are used to seeing. This doesn’t mean he isn’t giving effort.
     
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    Role player avg more than 10 assist per game?
    IMO he's playing more like LBJ role in regular season, get teammates involved first.
    I think this is good, it helps teammates grow.
     
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    Thats what a lot of fans are missing. Silas is unlocking a better version of Harden using both of his talents in scoring and distributing while MDA maximized Harden as a scorer. So in essence MDA made the offensive Harden fans have been so used to. I think he can have the best of both worlds. We may see his avg points dip but he is playing smarter and helping the team win. I do hope he is a bit more aggressive when he has the lane to drive and score but this will come in due time. The lakers games coming up are true tests. Really excited to see how Rockets play.
     
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    Maybe it’s much simpler. There’s been no question Harden wants out. Harden knows he can put up his normal 30-40 a game. He doesn’t question what he can do as that’s the known for him.

    Perhaps he’s actually trying to evaluate what this team is capable of and not himself. What this coach and system are capable of. What I’ve liked is he’s still willing to take over at the end of a game when needed. Perhaps he is actually looking to see if this team is capable of supporting him and proving that they actually have something here. He knows any team trading is going to gut their roster. Why not find out if this particular team can a major player before he leaves.
     
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    I think will see a 20+ point and 20 assist game from harden this year.
     
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    Can’t win without multiple top tier stars that can finish.

    Harden hasn’t had a top tier star able to compete healthy through entire playoffs.
    CP3 hamstring.......Westbrook quadriceps
    This is why Harden wants to join a contender with a couple high ranking stars.

    If Tliman would climb the team payroll near the $150M area like GSW, Philly, Nets......then everything would be kosher.

    But any team the Rockets trade Harden, we would want to dilute them of most of their talent.

    I’m not big on the 6’3”-ish point guard being that complimentary top tier star. They tend to wear down by the
    conference finals or NBA finals. Dragic was another example of that last season. One of the few times I agree
    with Charles Barkley when he stated a team probably won’t win a championship if the team depends on the
    point guard as being your top star/scorer. Discussed this when talking about Isaiah Thomas (with Boston recently).

    The 6’3” and under ball handler tends to get banged around and take a beating......and when not, often getting
    their shoots altered or blocked near the basket. So a zone can negate this if you have a good shot blocker like AD
    or Marc Gasol. Like John Wall to help during the season; but I don’t think it gets us the championship.

    Just my opinion
     
  18. Rocketman7

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    He is only leading the league in assists so far.... The dude goes from leading the league in points one season then leads in assists the next..

    Appreciate his greatness...
     
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    Could be who knows. My assessment was just based on the plays they run, coach’s comments and hardens own comments and statistics. I can’t assume anything or guess anything without supporting information.
     
  20. paboy1984

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    Harden is far from a role player its just a matter of time before he is back to dropping big numbers he just trying to figure the offense out
     

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