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Trump's coronavirus response

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Two Sandwiches, Mar 13, 2020.

  1. UTAllTheWay

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    I have to give Trump some credit on this one. He actually listened to the people. I hope the turtle follows through on it.
     
  2. dobro1229

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    My guess is the Repugs planned this all along to have Trump torpedo at the last minute. They made it clear they never wanted to pass another stimulus to begin with and they all seem hell bent on making the economy as bad as it could possibly be for Biden’s first term because they believe it helps them retake power over the next 4 years.

    The only reason they passed the bill out of the Senate was because of the GA Senate race because the messaging that “if you vote for the Dems you get a stimulus check if you don’t you get dirt kicked in your face” was having a pretty big impact. I was always a little cynical that they would do this and looks like I was right.

    This cult party of Trump is hell bent on destroying this country in the pursuit of absolute power. Steve Bannon said it 5 years ago and looks like he was just saying the quiet part out loud ahead of the rest of the party.
     
  3. T_Man

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    About time he listened to Nancy...

    She was trying to get that initially, but super turtle was totally against it....

    T_Man
     
  4. AleksandarN

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    He is getting back at Mitch. For declaring Biden the winner. He also put on conditions that will be hard for democrats to accept. He doesn’t care about either party or the people only himself. What an vindictive prick
     
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  5. NewRoxFan

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    What are you talking about? Trump is the first President who has not previous held office or been in the military. He is extremely capitalistic. Dumping an extra trillion dollars of cash into the economy just as he leaves office is a massive payday for him, especially given he scraped up 71M votes. He is going to capitalize on those votes once he gets out of office one way or another. Its quite disgusting, but hey, all politicians do it. Trump wont be doing half a million dollar speeches, but the Trumpers will gladly overpay for his mediocre Tilmanish products.
     
  7. Rashmon

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    This administrations bungling incompetence of the response has been criminal. There should be a gulag for these ****s...

    ‘Subpoenas are necessary’: House watchdog details extensive meddling with CDC Covid-19 reports

    New documents show political appointees sought to influence at least 13 reports as they ignored warnings from career officials.
    By DAN DIAMOND 12/21/2020 10:02 AM EST Updated: 12/21/2020 11:45 AM EST

    The House panel probing the Trump administration's coronavirus response released new documents detailing political appointees’ extensive efforts to modify or scuttle scientific Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports, as it also ordered top Trump health officials to quickly provide documents.

    Trump appointees attempted to “alter or block” at least 13 scientific reports on the coronavirus as outbreaks surged across the spring and summer, Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.), the chair of the House select subcommittee on coronavirus, wrote on Monday in a letter that was shared with POLITICO.

    POLITICO story revealed how appointees meddled with the famed Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Reports, which are authored by career scientists and are typically free of political interference. In recent weeks, the panel released evidence alleging that Redfield ordered agency staff to delete an email that appeared to show political interference and that a political adviser repeatedly advocated a controversial “herd immunity” strategy regarded by most public health experts as reckless.

    Clyburn's subcommittee on Monday produced dozens of new documents detailing how Trump appointees — including then-science adviser Paul Alexander, the department's top spokesperson Michael Caputo and other health department officials — worked to subvert the CDC's MMWR reports.

    Among the MMWRs that were targeted for edits: reports on the use of masks, the spread of Covid-19 in children, the virus' transmission during an April 7 primary election in Milwaukee and other reports that were seen as politically sensitive.

    The newly released documents further detailed appointees' extensive efforts to suppress and even write a rebuttal to planned reports on hydroxychloroquine, the malaria drug favored by President Donald Trump as a coronavirus treatment despite little evidence of its effectiveness. CDC has historically insisted that political appointees not review the draft content of the MMWRs, but in at least one case, Trump appointees obtained the full text of a pending report.

    [read the rest at the link]

    These ****ers should be charged with negligent homicide.
     
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  8. Amiga

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    This is one area that Trump can't win over Republicans in the Senate just because. If he had placed crazy pressure on them, perhaps. He's fully capable of doing that and he didn't.

    I think Trump deserves no credit (it's not going to happen) for not leading and for b****ing.
     
  9. NewRoxFan

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    The U.S. was supposed to be equipped to handle a pandemic. So what went wrong?
    Opinion by Editorial Board
    Dec. 26, 2020 at 7:00 a.m. CST

    WHEN A group of experts examined 195 countries last year on how well prepared they were for an outbreak of infectious disease, the United States ranked best in the world. Today, after being engulfed by the coronavirus pandemic, the United States is among the hardest-hit nations in the world, with more than 327,000 deaths, 18 million infected, the fourth-highest per capita mortality among nations and more suffering to come.

    What went wrong?

    The answer is, almost everything. President Trump is not responsible for how the outbreak began but bears a large burden for the catastrophic pandemic response. From the start, he squandered valuable time, silenced public health experts and scientists, politicized the regulatory agencies, abandoned a concerted federal response, botched diagnostic testing, lifted restrictions too early, and engaged in deception, illusion and confusion that left the American people fatigued and divided.

    Before the coronavirus infected anyone, the world was not prepared. As the 2019 Global Health Security Index showed, most nations were unready for a pandemic. Public health systems have been chronically starved for resources here and abroad. Mr. Trump closed the National Security Council Directorate for Global Health Security and Biodefense. Warnings in several studies during 2019 were ignored. And when the outbreak began, China’s authoritarian party-state covered up the early signs of human transmission, delaying vital information — with devastating consequences.

    But once the virus began spreading, Mr. Trump failed to adequately warn people, to take the threat seriously or to mount a pandemic response equivalent to the danger. Instead, he retreated to the realm of his own interests: his reelection campaign, his personal grievances, his misguided instincts and magical thinking.

    The result was a presidency of delusion and deception. Mr. Trump deliberately lied to the public about the grave dangers they faced. In an interview with The Post’s Bob Woodward on Feb. 7, the president said he knew the virus could be more lethal than the flu and that it spread through the air. “This is deadly stuff,” he said. But he told the nation Feb. 25, “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away.” On Feb. 27: “It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” On March 9, he said the “common flu” was worse than covid. On March 19, he told Mr. Woodward he did not want to be honest with the American people about the severity. “I wanted to always play it down,” he said. “I still like playing it down.” On June 20, he said, “Many call it a virus, which it is. Many call it a flu, what difference?”

    This mind-set led to cascading policy failures. The Trump administration was caught off guard when global supply chains broke down for personal protective equipment such as face masks and chemical reagents for testing kits — shortages that lasted for months. Mr. Trump boasted of his orders to ban travel from China and Europe, which at best may have slowed the viral spread, but he then neglected to exploit the gains for better preparation. Rather than launch a concerted, federal response that could marshal supplies, Mr. Trump left it to overwhelmed states, cities, hospitals, universities and others to compete against each other. The result was chaos. Meanwhile, the president’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, oversaw a group of young consultants from the private sector who volunteered to work on the supply chain bottlenecks. They were in way over their heads, were not supplied government emails or laptops, and were swamped by tips and requests from celebrities. Jeanine Pirro, a Trump booster who hosts a Fox News show, repeatedly called and emailed until 100,000 masks were sent to a hospital she favored.

    When the virus broke out in February at the Life Care Center of Kirkland, Wash., where 37 people died over four weeks, it should have set off alarms. Nursing homes lacked sufficient diagnostic testing kits. They isolated residents with symptoms, while asymptomatic residents and staff moved about — spreading more virus. “Nursing homes were left chasing their tails,” Morgan Katz of Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine told the AARP. When she set out to check Baltimore nursing homes using a Hopkins test, she was astounded to find more than 38 percent of residents were positive, the majority of them asymptomatic. Nursing home residents account for about 40 percent of all U.S. deaths through early December.

    Diagnostic testing is vital for finding who is sick and isolating them. Some countries, such as South Korea, used testing to rapidly trace and contain outbreaks, keeping overall disease and deaths low. But the United States suffered a testing debacle. The Trump administration struggled to ramp up the number of tests, always behind what was necessary to get a handle on the pandemic. The president announced a grand plan for drive-through testing sites at CVS, Target, Walmart and Walgreens parking lots, but in the end only 78 sites materialized. Mr. Trump even suggested at one point “Slow the testing down, please” because he didn’t like the rising case counts. Slowing the testing was the opposite of what the nation needed.

    For political reasons, the White House muzzled the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the nation’s premier source of public health guidance and crisis management expertise. On Feb. 25, Nancy Messonnier, director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, warned of massive disruption from the oncoming pandemic, saying it was not a question of whether it would happen but when. Mr. Trump was enraged — and the agency was stifled. The CDC had given 13 news conferences in one month during the West Africa Ebola outbreak six years ago, but during the coronarivus pandemic, it didn’t conduct a single news conference in four separate months. Even worse, the White House began to meddle with CDC guidance documents, editing what scientists had written on such matters as the dangers of spreading the virus by singing in church choirs, and on requirements for social distancing in bars and restaurants. The edits favored Mr. Trump’s political message not to restrict activity. Kyle McGowan, former CDC chief of staff, told the New York Times recently, “Every time that the science clashed with the messaging, messaging won.”

    Mr. Trump took to the White House podium to advertise a “game changer” medicine, the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine, which studies have shown is useless in treating the virus. The Food and Drug Administration was bullied into approving an Emergency Use Authorization for the drug, which it later withdrew. It was a sorry spectacle, squandering valuable presidential time and leadership, erroding trust in the FDA, and wrongly raising expectations of a quick and easy cure. So much else could have been done. A plan to purchase and deliver 650 million three-ply cotton face masks by U.S. mail to every household reached the White House, but then was killed because aides thought Mr. Trump didn’t trust the U.S. Postal Service. The president politicized wearing face masks and ridiculed those who wore them.

    After properly urging Americans to “flatten the curve” with shutdowns in March, Mr. Trump pivoted to a campaign to “liberate” states, as he put it, and open up — abandoning the gating criteria and metrics for opening that the White House itself had announced and established. Vice President Pence took the media to task for worrying about a second wave. “Such panic is overblown,” Mr. Pence said. Then it came: The virus surged into the Sun Belt in the summer and into the Midwest in the autumn. The viral tsunamis swamped any hope of a more precise test-and-trace strategy. Mr. Trump stumped for reelection with a misleading claim the United States was “rounding the corner” on the virus. He pulled out of the World Health Organization amid the worst health crisis of a century. On top of all this, Mr. Trump then hired as a White House adviser the Hoover Institution senior fellow Scott W. Atlas, a neuroradiologist without experience in infectious diseases, who advocated an approach of natural “herd immunity,” avoiding lockdowns while trying to protect the vulnerable and letting the virus run free among everyone else. It was madness then, and still is.

    Fighting a pandemic is treacherous and challenging. This particular virus harbored some unexpected tricks that took time to detect, such as the large share of asymptomatic cases. It was always going to be hard. But the worst did not have to happen. It happened because Mr. Trump failed to respect science, meet the virus head-on and be honest with the American people.

    The death and misery of 2020 should be taught to future generations as a lesson. What went wrong, making this the deadliest year in U.S. history, must not happen again.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...1ec42c-453f-11eb-975c-d17b8815a66d_story.html
     
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  10. vlaurelio

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    he doesn't care about the people
     
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    Meanwhile...

     
  14. NewRoxFan

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    The ever-continuing fail of trump's response to COVID-19...

     
  15. dobro1229

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    It took CVS nearly 6 days to get a positive test back to me (just found out that yes I’ve got it). If they are going to rely on CVS and Walgreens to distribute the vaccine and keep track of who gets it when we are all f-ed.

    No joke guys... not a hoax. Definitely a weird virus.
     
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    He sold millions of hats and flags to his sheep. Just think of all the money he missed out on of he had sold them millions of Trump masks. Hahahaha. He missed his opportunity to make millions more.
     
  17. T_Man

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    You really can't blame CVS or Walgreens... They only administer the test and then send it off...

    At that point its on the lab to run the test and update the system.... With so many test being administered from different places and with them using it as a tracking system, they're backed up...

    Not saying that the system is right, but it is what it is...

    T_Man
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    Relax. If you're not careful, you're going to end up like @Deckard rambling on about Nixon... half a century later 30 and 40 year olds who were not alive when Trump existed are going to wonder why you're so obsessed. We've made it over 1400 days with Trump. 22 more days to go. We are almost there. Hang in there.

    Be more like Biden. Forget yesterday.
     
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    I'm not gonna relax as long as he is still President. The damage he can, will, and is doing is not worth ignoring. When he is booted out on his as* I can relax.
     

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