They had that in 2018 with Saric, Reddick,and Belinelli, and he held the team back by killing spacing. Him and Embiid don’t work, because Embiid is the better player and better scorer, but teams not even respecting Simmons off ball allows Embiid to not have any space to operate in the post. The Sixers spacing is bad because of Simmons. He’s a worse outside threat than Giannis. At least Giannis will ATTEMPT outside shots, and even have games where he goes 3/5 from 3 to keep the defense somewhat honest. Simmons is not a threat at all. You can’t ideally build around a guy that can’t shoot and doesn’t have a scorers mentality. He’s passive. It’s like trying to build around Draymond. Great as a 3rd option, but you would never try to turn Draymond into your franchise player. People keep trying to turn Ben Simmons into something he’s not.
Draymond is a good comparison. Simmons has better handle and is a better passer. That's why he is more deadly going to the hoop. But even Draymond can hit the 3 if you leave him wide open. So you can't just pack the paint. If we get Simmons, we are going back to small ball, except that Simmons will be the true point center.
In 2017-18 Simmons and embid were +15 on the floor together. It was simmons FIRST YEAR playing in the nba. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...-ben-simmons-joel-embiid-problem?platform=amp They have been a positive together on the floor despite all the various lineups. Simmons isn't a shooter, no one is arguing he is. He also isn't Draymond. He scored at a 60% TS. He is an elite passer, was third last year in generating wide open threes (per lowe post 12-11). He did all this in his third season... On teams not built to his strengths. I'm not saying Simmons will be Giannis, but to write him off as a draymond or to evaluate his potential and ceiling without taking into account the context/limitations placed on him isn't fair imo.
We btch at harden for not carrying during playoffs. U magically except simmons who refuse to shoot to take over harden role and not shoot? A guy who can't shoot will become a liability in playoffs. Harden is already godlike at passing but we still needed him to score to remain competitive. Simmons isn't a shooter who the fk is gonna replace harden points?
Ben Simmons and John Wall. Two ball handlers that cant shoot from long distance. Everything will be fine...... Just fine.
Of course your TS% is going to be decent if you don’t even attempt a shot outside the paint. TS% is almost worthless when you’re scoring only 16ppg. You’re not taking in that context. That’s ok for a 3rd option, but not for someone who you’re trying to build a team around. Eventually people will realize the truth about Simmons and who is really is, and his limited potential. If the Rockets trade for him, hopefully they flip him quick before he gets exposed.
Willing to bet if DM insists on keeping Simmons, his play to get Harden in a three team deal is as follows: Tobias + FRP’s to a third team Harden (and possibly Tucker) to Philly Young assets from the the third to Houston (+ additional picks/swaps from Philly) A team like Atlanta or Sacramento has some decent young talent and could probably be convinced to absorb the Tobias Harris contract with enough incentives. Harris might be on a terrible contract, but he can play. A team like that might view the deal as a win.
I think he has more room to grow despite his shooting limitations. He is already a top 20ish player in the league, all-nba 3rd team and all defense in only his 3rd full season. Is that a fluke? Is it his ceiling? Or can/will he get better? I think he will get better.
If Morey won't give up Simmons he won't get Harden unless the team who trades for Harden trades him to Philly. Tilman isn't gifting Music Morey his Technicolor Dream Player.
Yes. And to those who compare it to WB.... It's a high volume, relatively inefficient triple double the comes with poor defense vs a low volume, efficient triple double that comes with elite switchable defense.
Simmons has a much better handle and passer, you'd never have Draymond being your primary ballhandler on a team. Simmons would be a true point center and you'd have to build around that. Simmons and Woods/Boogey at the 4/5 isn't the small ball we are used to.
I get that Ben Simmons has holes in his game and isn't an ideal No. 1 offensive threat to build a team around. But, guys, if Harden gets dealt, you're not going to get a player in return that's likely to be a decent No. 1 on a championship caliber team at any point in their career. That's a pipe dream. Maybe Simmons isn't a No. 1, but he's more the No. 3 who gives you a little bit of everything, like a mix between Rondo, peak Iggy and a poor man's Pippen. If Harden has to get traded, you take that. A Simmons/Wood core with tons of cap space in two years is a solid start to build around. That being said, I still would rather see Harden on this team before a trade happens.
not a huge fan of simmons but a 5 out set would leave simmons 1v1 with a full head of steam. at his size, that's easy layups/dunks or kick outs.
