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Anybody Else Tired of Cleaning Up Republican Messes?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Apr 22, 2004.

  1. glynch

    glynch Member

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    Reagan- Bush I came in, did the original "supply side" scam and set "oops" and left huge deficits. Clinton had to do the responsible thing and raise taxes and reverse the huge deficit. He also cut welfare to poor people, which fortunately was somewhat offset by unemployment rates that were very low.

    Now we have Bush II. We have had the "supply side" redux scam, leading to another deficit mess.

    To top it off we now have Bush's big mess in Iraq and his coming out in his photo op with a beaming Sharon and finally plainly admitting that we are not an "honest broker" when it comes to the Palestinian issue, his trashing of most of our international allies and the UN etc..

    Kerry at best will inherit a near historic crisis in the deficit, massive trade imbalance and international affairs disasters particularly in the Middle East. If he wins, it will be Kerry who will have to pull the plug on Bush's immature little Iraqi adventure, try to do the near impossible of trying to be an "honest broker" etc.

    I'm starting to wonder if it might be better to continue with Bush, listen to him lying confidently about how all is hunky dory in Iraq till it all collapses and he winds up looking like the Iraqi Minister of Info who looked so foolish as he claimed they were winning the intial invasion.

    On the otherhand God knows, Bush, Ashcroft and the boys can start new wars, run larger deficits, drill in the Arctic, try to scam us out of social security, ban abortion, Howard Stern, on and on.

    Last time I thought we had a lot to lose, but this time maybe most of the bad crap has happened already.

    What do you think? Better to let the Cons and the Neocons stew in their own juices till they absolutely discredit themselves with more Americans? Or have an embattled Kerry hounded by the rabid right wingers?
     
  2. Uprising

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    I actually think Bush is cleaning up Clinton's messes. Gore should have went through with his bill for more security for the airline industry, but he was bought off.



    From a Soldier's point of view

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    Subject: Worst President in history??

    The following appeared in the Durham, NC local paper as a letter to the
    editor. Please forward to all on your list as this will put things in
    perspective:

    Liberals claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war. They
    complain about his prosecution of it. One liberal recently claimed Bush
    was the worst president in U.S. history. Let's clear up one point:

    We didn't start the war on terror. Try to remember, it was started by
    terrorists BEFORE 9/11. Let's look at the "worst" president and
    mismanagement claims.

    FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From
    1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.

    Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never
    attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of
    18,333 per year.

    John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never
    attacked us.

    Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives
    were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

    Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never
    attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
    times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple
    occasions.

    In the two years since terrorists attacked us, President Bush has
    liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put
    nuclear inspectors in Lybia, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot,
    and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. We
    lost 600 soldiers, an average of 30 a year. Bush did all this abroad
    while not allowing another terrorist attack at home. Worst president in
    history? Come on!

    The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but...

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the
    Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.

    We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less
    time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing
    records.

    It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
    destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Teddy Kennedy to call
    the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

    It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in
    Florida!!!!

    Our military is GREAT! PASS IT ON.
     
  3. bamaslammer

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    What a total lie. Since the Republicans did not have control of Congress, Reagan was forced to spend more than he'd have liked on domestic spending thanks to the majority party (which never met a taxpayer's dollar that it couldn't spend on votebuying schemes fast enough). Raising taxes when you have a budget in the TRILLIONS to pay for all of the Democratic social disengineering schemes is irresponsible and this tax increase resulted in the destruction of the yacht building industry. Clinton never cut anything but defense, you liar! He was forced into signing welfare reform, which despite the doom and gloom rhetoric of little bleeding-heart socialist scamps like yourself, has been extraordinarily successful at breaking a cycle of dependency.
    More lies. Do you get your news exclusively from the Democratic National Committee? Look at their little talking points and your lies match up rather neatly with theirs. We were going to have to take care of Iraq sometime, because we could not contain Saddam's WMD program forever. Trashing of most of our allies? Our so-called allies France and Russia were bribed in the oil-for-food program, just as we told you earlier. They opposed us because they had a vested financial interest in doing so. But then again, their dissent was just on principle, right? Sure. :rolleyes:
    Bush tried and tried in the months before we went to war and yet.....they refused us. The UN refused to enforce its own toothless resolutions on Iraq, despite the fact Saddam was in breach of nearly every one of them!
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    Yes, for once we agree. Bush should continue so he can:
    1. Continue to wad the panties of the weak-kneed left into bunches. I've sure enjoyed the amount of visceral hatred from your side directed at a man who has gone too far to be accomodating to your side with his awful prescription drug program, ridiculous education bill, bloated farm bill and even opened the floodgates to a needless influx of illegals with his godawful amnesty nightmare. For those things, I've been just as mad at him as you are with him with other issues.
    2. Fight and win the war on terror- Kerry will turn terrorism into a LE issue and has said so on innumerable occasions. We've seen what 8 years of that dunder-headed approach got us, 9/11.
    Bush had to clean up Clinton's messes on national security issues among others. Thanks to Clinton's asleep-at-the-wheel foreign policy, Bush faced more challenges in the first year of his presidency than most, but yet weathered them effectively. Now if only he could get the time to get a team of lawyers to root out the ridiculous power-grabbing Clinton executive orders and issue ones to render them moot. I'm still waiting for that.
    3. Give the American taxpayers another tax cut.
    You are just one single-minded soul, aren't you? Bush has nothing to do with Howard Stern or abortion. Little liberal enviro-hypocrites like yourself bemoan our dependency on foreign oil, but yet refuse to allow us to do anything to increase our energy production, be it building new powerplants, refineries or drilling for more oil. It would be too harmful to the precious little environment, you say. We can develop "alternative" energy sources at great expense that will cripple our economy when we can get oil much cheaper. Total stupidity, but then again, what do you expect from the left?
    This thread is proof positive that you have truly departed the world of reality. Bon voyage! Stew in your hatred of Bush because it has thoroughly consumed you as it has the entire left-wing of this country. Keep breeding your conspiracy theories and lefty talking points. I'll just watch and laugh.
     
  4. ROXTXIA

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    I have seen this in a f***ing e-mail so many times now, but it still gives me the dry-heaves.

    Any faults of any other President or prominent Democrat aside, George Bush is still a monkey who was easily duped into invading Iraq. He's arrogant, he's ignorant, he is the poster child for Favorite Son status, having never, ever achieved anything, always having been handed something....including the presidency.

    Talking about how he has "liberated" two countries is beyond laughably simple-minded.

    I met a soldier coming back from serving in Iraq and he wanted to return, and he told me stories of buddies he lost over there, and I respect him and the job he's doing. But I think our current administration has put his life up for forfeit.

    Yes, our military is great. Let's not get the human beings who comprise that military killed for no good reason....or for lies.
     
  5. Major

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    What a total lie. Since the Republicans did not have control of Congress, Reagan was forced to spend more than he'd have liked on domestic spending thanks to the majority party (which never met a taxpayer's dollar that it couldn't spend on votebuying schemes fast enough).

    Republicans must be a bunch of wusses. They controlled the Senate and Presidency from 1981 to 1987, but the Democratic House apparently forced them all to spend. :rolleyes:

    Government spending & budget deficits were out of control with a Republican President and any combo of Congresses (All Republican - today, all Democratic - late 1980s, mixed - early 1980s). Government spending slowed and budget deficits shrunk with a Democratic President and any combo of Congresses (all Democratic - 1992-4, all Republican - 1995-2000).

    You figure out the consistent pattern. And no, it wasn't "just the economy" - these crossed healthy and slow economies, and was true both for budget deficits and for pure government spending levels.
     
  6. Woofer

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    Those pesky facts, Major.

    Don't worry. We won't have to pay for the latest Bushie mistakes. Our children and grandchildren will, that's the beauty of it, get political capital now, and some other fool will have to pay for it.
     
  7. Cohen

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    Originally posted by glynch
    Reagan- Bush I came in, did the original "supply side" scam and set "oops" and left huge deficits. Clinton had to do the responsible thing and raise taxes and reverse the huge deficit. ...

    Maybe the part about raising taxes was correct, but he simply benefited from a booming economy that he had nothing to do with. Just like GW got screwed by inheriting an economy entering a recession.

    ...To top it off we now have Bush's big mess in Iraq and his coming out in his photo op with a beaming Sharon and finally plainly admitting that we are not an "honest broker" when it comes to the Palestinian issue, his trashing of most of our international allies and the UN etc..

    In what way? Are you aware of the stipulations that the US put in the 'understandings' w/ Sharon?


    Kerry at best will inherit a near historic crisis in the deficit, massive trade imbalance ...

    When was the last time there wasn't a trade imbalance? :rolleyes:


    If you want to whine, it would be more credible if you only attributed someone with their mistakes and not the fictitional garbage.
     
  8. Sishir Chang

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    Glynch I here you about the next Admin. inheriting a mess but we need to ave accountability. The current Admin needs to be held accountable for getting us into this mess in Iraq and for diverting resources away from catching the real terrorist masterminds of Al Qaeda to chasing WMD phantoms in Iraq.

    They've had their chance fighting the war on terror for three years. While there have been some victories in the war on terror like catching Khalid Sheik Mohammed, they have failed to catch Osama or Al Zwahari while even GW Bush admits that we are still very vulnerable to attack.

    They've had more than a year in Iraq and have not proved that Saddam's regime was in any way an imminent or even much of a potential threat to us. If anything they've proved he was less of a threat than almost anyone had thought. Meanwhile according to their own projections of just a few months ago things are much worse.

    This Admin. has had its chance and to quote Al Gore "It is time for them to go."
     
  9. Sishir Chang

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    I agree and he should be held accountable for that too. Conservatives need to realize that this Admin. has also harmed their causes to. What is really needed is divided government so the parties and branches will keep themselves in check. The fastest way to that is to vote out of GW Bush.
     

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