[update]Elon and Friends moving to Texas, Samsung $17 billion plant in Taylor

I didn't dismiss the importance of primary education.... but this is a TX vs CA thread. Clearly CA's higher education led them to becoming the innovation capital of the world.

When the USSR reached space first, we poured money into primary education. Also, considering how many working parents and single parents there, we need to bring back after school programs.

 

Yes, but first there needs to be a fundamental restructuring on education. The current model is obsolete. Not everyone is destined to be in STEM. Greater respect needs to be made towards those who wish to be more mechanical instead of shipping all of those jobs off overseas. Too many people are pushed off into blue collar work but not given a good education in their line of work. Industrialization has scraped the bottom of this barrel w/out issuing out dividends to the workers they have exploited.

 

Right.... but that still requires funding, which will come from where? Bringing back "Shop class" with a modern twist sounds like a great idea. I grew up in HISD and went to Westside High School that had a technology magnet program that taught us modern technical skills but that program wasn't for everyone or even close to half.

 

Still the share and volume of STEM graduates in the US is much lower when compared to other countries like India. That is a fundamental problem that needs to be fixed and training more people for blue collar jobs (that will likely be decimated by automation within the next decade) is not a feasible solution. We need to train a labor force that has the qualitative and quantitative measures to be competitive in the market of tomorrow.

Market forces will always push capital and labor to co-reside. If you dont have the labor force that capital seeks, capital will seek out where the labor force is.

 

additional funding will only fund the current system. Essentially you can't fund a program unless you know its cost. It goes far beyond simply creating special interest projects. Instead of having a yearly passing system, a student gets passed on a 4-8 week course. If they struggle, they redo the course. There is no point in holding a student back a year if they struggle on one subject and force them to repeat subjects they already do well at. And the same applies in passing a student if they have not a firm grasp on a certain subject, sending them on to the next year disadvantaged. A student continues mastering courses until they are ready to enter the workforce. There is no graduation end date and a paper awarded that says "im smarter than you". Then the industry itself, with government standards if needed, creates industry or state certifications where needed.(like it is done now).

Then if you're middle aged and finding yourself falling behind in new standards, you can go and take a course to refresh or catch up, even if you're in a room full of 13 year olds. We should treat education as a way of life, not some box to check off.

 

That sounds very idealistic and very hard to bring to the masses.

 

Do you have an example of a country where your desired model (or something similar) has been tried and the outcome of it?

 

Chinese citizens should not be allowed to buy US real estate, they did the same thing in Vancouver.

 

This.

In fact recent research shows that you can take children from poor educational areas and put them into premium high schools and the improvement in test scoring and comprehension is minimal.... within the actual range of deviation.

The conclusion that is being reached by researchers are that by age 10, many indicators are already set in stone. That is to say proper education must already be established, proper parenting and nutrition. The good news is that we CAN do it as a country. We are capable of increasing expenditures, programs and time commitments for children. Parents are often both working in the USA now and they are less involved. That means that schools have more influence and that also means that proper after school educational programs can be established. The role of elementary schooling is stronger than ever, as they no longer simply educate children but operate as role model and baby sitter.

 

The Face’s got tickets to the game?! How’d they get tickets to the game?

Anytime the Rockets are here I’ll be in the stands you know me. The Chase Center is such a pain in the ass to get to and park at though.

 

That isn't a major hurdle is there is a general agreement put in place. For example, how many elementary school children go to after school daycare (which is worthless and expensive)? How many parents have to juggle their stressful schedules to ensure their children are picked up at 12 noon or 3 pm? There is a lot of funding that could be cut in other areas when crime decreases (it will), parents and children are more productive?

 

if ur referring to Vancouver, BC, for the most part, it's actually the HKers, an outgrowth of the handover

 

I think Dr. Biden will be a big influence on funding community colleges and technical schools. That seems to be huge for her.

 

Hong Kong will be absorbed and likely smothered by PRC. Either way, the last I looked 40% of the property in Vancouver is owned by Chinese foreigners. I have no issue with immigrants that live in the a country buying property. However in the case of China it is absurd, as foreigners are essentially banned from owning property in China, yet they are buying property in the USA that they do not even live in. That needs to stop.

 

No, I dont know of any country where this has been tried. However we are entering a new era with different rules. The important aspect is that we dont grind the will out of students because they do not want to do STEM. Its hard to do that when a students first 8 years of education are all graded on the same field. Education should be tailored to the student.

 

That traditional model is being used almost everywhere else in the world and showing significantly better results than in the US.

Have you considered the possibility that the problem is not with the educational model per se, but with the students and the society around them?

 

As usual, when nothing to add to the conversation, post a song ur deflect.

Your poll does not even include salary which really displays your ignorance in the economics of moving a company to Texas. Hahahah.

Eagerly waiting for the next non sensical response.

 

Im not trying to sound condescending, but yes, that is largely one and the same thing. The education model in itself is not broken, but it does need to evolve.... meaning its very important we dont leave large demographics behind. For our species as a whole to progress efficiently, we need to make sure the general population stays very well educated. Regardless, The US is still pretty well educated, but we are starting to fall behind. Whatever that reason is, we need to stop focusing so much on the problem and start working towards a solution. Personally I think it needs to start at the elementary level and we need to restructure our education model to take care of the kids who do not have a strong support at home. And this isn't a lower class issue. There are many middle class kids who's parents expect the schools to do 100% of the work. If parents dont want to take the responsibility, then let the state raise them to the best interest of the state.