Simmons but it seems Morey refuses to deal either Simmons or Embiid now. So our trade options become a lot slimmer now if we were to deal him now.
The problem is if you wait a year, that's one less year of team control a team is trading for. At that point, Harden is potentially a one-year rental who can opt out after the 2021-22 season. So you've killed his value by waiting a whole year. I'd be fine making him sit until the trade deadline to assess the market if you have to, but if the guy wants out and refuses to suit up, it's in their best interest to move him before the trade deadline while his value is as high as it's ever going to be.
Simmons is never going to learn to shoot, and I feel like that's a death knell for a superstar career in today's NBA... He would pretty much require all four players around him at all times to be good shooters. Not to mention his injury problems.
Simmons by a long shot. With wall at the point they need a Shooter at the other G id put Simmons at SF for know see what a lineup of Woods Cousins and Simmons 1 2 3 at the top looks like. Make them shoot. If you can swing a deal for AG move him to SF and Simmons to SG and you have a hell of a Def team and capable play makers. Causins might resign if not you move the order around
Where's the option for "neither"? One is a "superstar" who necessitates the same roster building problems we had with Westbrook because he's a guard who can't shoot. The other is a mediocre asset who may or may not ever develop into a star.
i first saw this poll and thought what the hell, gotta be simmons... but then i changed my vote. u guys really need to take a look at tyler herro. if there ever is a player who can be a hybrid of all the best things from steph curry and klay thompson, tyler herro has that potential. he is not just a straight 3pt shooter... the guy can really flat-out ball. the heat didn't give him too much responsibility as a 19 yr old (who would?) but he still managed to take over an eastern conference finals playofff game... absolutely torched marcus smart for 37 points. a package based around herro and a bunch of unprotected 1sts sounds pretty good to be honest. throw in duncan robinson in there and suddenly the rockets become the best 3 pt shooting team in the nba with the no.1 offensive coach in stephen silas at the helm.
I have to agree. He seems to be the most complete player out of what is being offered. Will definitely become a star.
forgot to mention this in my other reply to you, but props for actually looking further into a player and trying to get a better idea of what he brings to the table. A lot of people here are taking the cliché approach as i mentioned earlier and see all star, that's the right choice. While completely putting Herro in a box, which is absolutely wrong
Herro would be hated by the 10th game if he comes here to be the no.1 scoring option... And y'all know it! So stop!
I think I liked Herro more than most people prior to draft and even prior to the playoffs. But the hype around him for a nice playoff run has gotten out of control. It's like an Austin Croshere-esque situation.
this is also another cliché approach. when a young player plays very well, they automatically get put in the hype box. terrible and a lazy take
Herro is a good player with some upside (obviously better and a lot more upside than someone like Croshere), but when your stock rises drastically because of a playoff run it's usually an overreaction. Honestly, I love Jamal Murray too and have for awhile but I think his status may be a little over-inflated right now based on a great run at the right time. He's always been somewhat streaky.
that's not an overreaction at all. Is his stock supposed to rise more in the regular season or something. that logic doesn't make sense at all. Or does it make more sense when you play damn well during the playoffs in addition to having a good year your stock rises. I'd say the latter absolutely makes more sense. but most people didn't keep up with him on a regular basis prior to the bubble which goes back to their cliché approach
Their stock should rise more with consistent performance that matches or exceeds expectations. One run of 10-20 good games is always possible to be statistical noise. NBA history is littered with guys who got overpaid based on one good run through the playoffs. Same deal with guys getting drafted too high over a few good games in March Madness. If Linsanity happened in the playoffs he probably would have made even more money. Both Herro's and Murray's stock should be higher now than before the playoffs. Probably not as high as it is though, especially Herro.
Linsanity had a longer streak of success... still not convince Herro is any more than JJ Reddick. I'm not upset at the gamble but the Herro talk is out of control
and this is how i know you didn't keep up with him prior to the bubble. And also why I don't take a lot of posts seriously that haven't done the full research and just taking the lazy approach
I did keep up with him. He's a very good player. I loved him before the draft and thought he fell too low. Talking about him as the centerpiece of a Harden trade and more valuable than Ben Simmons is nonsense. If you're talking about Murray I think he could be one of the best 5-10 players in the league in a few years and have liked him for while, but I think it's less certain than consensus probably is now.
