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Arenas: James has to reevaluate how he plays the game

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Amel, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. OkayAyeReloaded

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    Sigh, I like Arenas and he has value for player development but I can't agree with his take here.

    Gilbert at his absolute peak wasn't the offensive player Harden is, he wasn't the passer/playmaker Harden is. His Wizards team also repeatedly lost to LeBron in usually the first round, so why judge and Harden has better playoff performances when comparing the two overall.

    Harden has been a great playmaker and lead the league in assists, Arenas while a good passer wasn't close to leading the league. Harden also has been part of some of the very best offensive teams in the league. Arenas' teams peak offensive year is Harden's average year, so saying he doesn't help others eat is wrong imo.

    I could go on, but I think the team aspect and defensively is the issue. Our best year we were just under a top 5 team defensively, had rim protection, long defensive wings for switching and we could defensive rebound at an elite level in 17-18.

    Ball movement could be improved and I think it will be with Wall and Cousins who can pass and create for others and Silas system will add versatility. But that is team roster and system imo.

    So I do agree team ball movement could improve, but the added personel, coaching system as well as defense and rebounding will help things, but Harden has been great offensively.
     
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  2. abaker28

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    More like Harden needs to re-evaluate his attitude and expectations of the FO.
    I can't see any other team pandering to Hardens every whim like the Rockets have.
     
  3. onreego

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    Lol. I’m glad Clint is getting mentions with the Chris Paul and Westbrooks of the world.
     
  4. bj3175

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    Gil is ight for the most part. However Iso has its advantages and Disadvantages. Kobe and MJ used iso as a weapon to force double teams and make defenses venerable for the team to get easy baskets. It wasn't used as a sole philosophy to do just because you can. James is doing to much and then when defense traps him the Rockets are dead. The ball has to move an d then James can strike down any defense with minimal effort and they cant focus on him which makes him unstoppable. We need a mix of everything James can do not just a few things
     
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  5. xtruroyaltyx

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    Harden’s game is great for stats, poor for winning rings.

    Arenas’ overall point is a good one whether or not he got all the details right.
     
  6. Rocket River

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    I can see Harden change
    I don't really see him being resistent to change
    If he goes elsewhere he will have to change. . .so .. . change is acoming

    That Said.
    IMO - It was down right painful watching PJ/EGO/Clint/House/Bmac/Westbrook
    Try to pass. Unless it was an open and obvious pass a 17 yr could make
    IT was near abomination

    Harden set a 4 on 3 . . . and movement and passes during that were. . . .less than ideal

    I am not denigrating to team I love those guys
    but They are not natural passers.
    This is why CP3 worked. . . Westbrook's passes were not as precise, with good zip and in rhythm

    I am excited because Wall will be the 2nd best passer Harden has played with
    Meaning in control

    Rocket River
     
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  7. cerophilik

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    They are wrong.
    Morey wanted Dwight, just like he wanted Gasol, bosh and Melo

    Harden was fine with it because it was another star or good player but he never recruited Dwight.

    Morey also wanted CP3 and sold the idea to Harden. Harden did meshed ok with Chris but after his injury Chris looked bad. He should have change diets when he came to Houston man. yes Harden push for Russ so he didn’t want Cp3 after he had a bad season. Harden and Tilman listened to all the media noise too. And believe he was washed or that his contract was the worst.

    With Russ we don’t really know so we can’t say.
    Bunch of rumors and Russ and Harden haven’t talked about it. We might know when they play against each other. We don’t know if they are still friends.
    maybe Harden told Russ to get out since he would demand the trade. Maybe Russ doesn’t like Tilman either
    Maybe Harden wanted out and Russ was the last to know. Maybe Harden did say he wanted Russ traded. Some say it was Tilman and his culture that Harden can’t handle. Maybe he is just chasing a ring and didn’t like any of the moves.
    The point is it is all speculation.

    And Harden didn’t want Clint out. He was his pnr guy. He was hurt but the moved for RoCo wasn’t for Harden it was for Russ to have more space.
     
  8. icewill36

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    Everyone please stop saying they moved clint for russ. Tax is the reason.
     
  9. icewill36

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    Gil might be right, but youll never convince me style of play and not lack of supporting talent is the reason james doesnt have a ring. We have never had a stacked team here.
     
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  10. Rocketman7

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    Please trade this guy.......
    New and better culture without Harden......
    I bet the Rockets players don't miss him
     
  11. Rocket River

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    Cannot wait to get back to a Squad like the 2011 Rockets
    8 Jeff Adrien
    6 Earl Boykins
    10 Chase Budinger
    29 Marcus Camby
    21 Samuel Dalembert
    3 Goran Dragić
    9 Jonny Flynn
    9 Courtney Fortson
    27 Jordan Hill
    5 Courtney Lee
    7 Kyle Lowry
    12 Kevin Martin
    2 Marcus Morris
    25 Chandler Parsons
    54 Patrick Patterson
    4 Luis Scola
    0 Greg Smith
    32 Hasheem Thabeet
    1 Terrence Williams
    Record: 34-32, Finished 4th in NBA Southwest Division

    Rocket River
     
  12. Rocket River

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    For the Most Part. . . .
    our second best player was always worse than the other team's second best player
    And that could go for the 3rd and 4th players too

    Even look at this last Laker Series. . .who were our second third and fourth best players
    and how do they compare to their Laer's counterparts?

    Rocket River
     
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  13. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Harden needs to do something when he doesn't have the ball....anything but just stand there.
     
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  14. SamFisher

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    Gilbert Arenas telling James Harden how to play basketball on offense is like Bill O'Brien telling Daryl Morey how to get the 76'rs over the hump.
     
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    Arenas is, and has always been, and attention-wh0ring fool. I can't say for certain that he's actually as stupid as he acts, though. My gut tells me he's not, and that he's rather just a player version of Skip Bayless or something.
     
  16. don grahamleone

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    I feel like I may be alone but I think Arenas is right. He's become too predictable. He refuses to attack from all angles and only really attacks from the top of the 3 point line. The defense knows where his attack will start every single time. It always starts above the three point line within 10 feet of an imaginary line drawn on the middle of the arc.
     
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  17. don grahamleone

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    To be fair... Harden does have a post up game. He just rarely uses it.
     
  18. don grahamleone

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    John Wall averages like 9.5 assists per game. I'd trust him a lot of the time.
     
  19. Sanctity

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    He is waiting to reveal that he is the dynamic twin of Ru Paul doing sports analysis.
     
  20. cerophilik

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    Tax wasn’t the reason. He was hurt and wasn’t going to play. They needed someone that could shoot. They couldn’t have two non shooters.
    Picking up RoCo did help us in that regard.
     

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