Heyletmeplay posted: Haven, Achebe The bet is the first sentence....mmkay. I am not explaining it more. Either join the bet or not. The extremely unlikely Radman sparkplug behind Langhi means...I win. Guys, Walt is going to start now that we don't have to hand Shandon a starting role anymore....you poor, poor fools. Are you kidding me? If we lose Anderson then I guarantee we draft a small forward. I am in! I am in! ------------------ Fuggetabout it
------------------ "I had mine chewed off by a boss one time." -- Behad leaves us wondering if he gets hazard pay...
Langhi's going to get the first look regardless of the caliber of the small forward the Rockets draft just because he deserves it. Therefore, your bet, which states that the bet is dependent upon who gets on the floor first in the first game of the year is flawed. A rookie won't displace Damn Lanky's place on the depth chart until at least 10 games into the season IMO, unless we get a Joe Johnson or Rodney White. Then it's really no contest, because they're ahead of Langhi on the depth chart as soon as their officialy on the team. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 20, 2001).]
BigBoy, I think we'll trade up to get a small forward, not a big man. Loren Woods isn't worth moving up for past Boston, and even if the Rockets somehow are in position to draft Diop, I don't think they'll take the risk. Diop and Chandler seem like the only potential great defensive bigmen in this draft to me, and IMO, big men that can be had a later pick (Johnson, Jones) can provide just as much defensively as the so called "franchise" centers. I also don't think the Rockets draft a 4, so the only centers they are going to be in range to possibly draft are Woods and Diop, and if they move up that high, I don't think they pass on a Gasol,White, or Johnson for a Woods or Diop. HP's argument only works if the Rockets draft a small forward with one of their later picks, because any small forward drafted in the lottery is going to be placed ahead of Langhi in the depth chart. However, his bet stipulates that the small forward would have to play before Langhi in the first game of the season for Crisco's side to win. A small forward selected at 18 or 23 is not clearly going to be better than Langhi, therefore Lanky would get the nod because he's been here longer(the coaches owe it to him and he deserves it), in the first game of the season over the rook. My whole argument is that a small forward picked at 18 or 23 would need time to displace Langhi on the depth chart, and I would say this time period would be about 10 games give or take. Therefore, the bet, if a small forward is drafted at 18 or 23, is flawed in that Lanky will get the nod regardless of the fact that the player chosen may be better. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 20, 2001).]
I guess I fall in the third category too. Too wild and crazy an idea to deal... ------------------ Rarely is the question asked: Guns kill squirrels than REDRUM to fools across the nation?
...but I'm leaning with Hey, just not quite there.., haven't made up my mind yet, too many intangibles to consider.. ------------------ Rarely is the question asked: Guns kill squirrels than REDRUM to fools across the nation?
TPL can't bet...p***y You can win on a trade or FA acquisition...too. But if that #13 pick can't beat out Langhi...and there is no trade...buddy...I win. What...do you want me to make my team bend over a barrel for you.....Oh...Heath2000 and SmeggySmegg and Rocketbooster....if anyone ever plays ahead of Langhi (like if he gets injured in Dec) we lose.... yeah right. What kind of bet is that...a stupid one with 101 What Ifs and it never ends. This is not a Debate...this is a bet that must end. no?? You tell me how to make the bet end on Oct 31st...and I will listen. Your bet is the flawed one...and Achebe too. You both say the bet can't end until ... what??? ... well into the 2002 campaign. Either your SF beats Langhi out in camp, or he doesn't!! How else does the bet end...tell me...I'm all ears. Otherwise, quit saying the bet is flawed. There are 15 people who are playing, so far. Bet, give me a bet, or quit whining TPL. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 20, 2001).]
lol, I didn't propose any bet, I just pointed out the illogical parts of yours. Patience is a virtue HP, and I'm willing to wait and see if a small forward drafted at 18 or 23 can displace Langhi, why aren't you? Honestly, I think a player drafted at those positions would platoon the small forward spot with Langhi, therefore we wouldn't know who was ahead of who on the depth chart because Rudy would bring in Langhi or the rook based on matchups. Give me a while and I'll cook up a bet for ya ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 20, 2001).]
TPL, Well, if we don't move up, that is because we don't care to spend all our picks on Johnson or White. Don't you see. And if we don't trade for a veteran SF, then we chose not to...it wasn't a priority. And if a #13 SF can't beat out Langhi in camp...then it wasn't a deep SF draft like everyone claims. You lose. Bet me or not...if not, stay out of the bet threads with you borish SF arguments....and let us have our fun.
I've just been observing this "bet" matter, but offer my conclusions. If I were betting, and I'm not, I would insist upon a clearer statement of the bet. It seems that one side is betting that either Walt or Langhi will start game one of the regular season, but that in no case will a new acquisition (by draft, trade, or free agency) advance in the rotation ahead of Langhi as of game one. It would seem that this bet could be stated with greater clarity. "A NEWLY ADDED PLAYER TO THE TEAM WILL (WILL NOT) PLAY AHEAD OF DAN LANGHI IN THE FIRST GAME OF THE SEASON." Of course, if I've read all the weasel words correctly, it seems that one side has also provided itself with a qualifier that if Williams starts, they win irrespective of the Langhi issue. The fact that the bet is being run arbitrarily by one person, who refuses to answer questions without being coy, leads me to believe it is not a bet to be entered. If I understand the issue correctly it could simplified thusly: THE STARTER AT SMALL FORWARD AT OPENING GAME IS (OR IS NOT) CURRENTLY ON THE ROCKETS' ROSTER. If a newly added rookie, free agent or trade starts, one side wins. If Walt, Langhi, Bull, or Anderson starts, the other side wins. Using a term like "the depth chart" is an invitation to disaster. What about injuries? I predict that unless this bet is cleaned up considerably, there will be lasting acrimony when November 1, 2001 rolls around. ------------------
or join my side ... yeah ... your logic is pretty much realizing that I am going to win. those poor, poor fools! eh Criscopartner
PineTree, <a href="http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum3/HTML/013316.html">Go read my very first sentence in the primary bet thread.</a> Plus there are about 3 other threads dating back to February about this. As much as I like you so far, you have no history of this bet. This bet was initiated in February. You are in the wrong thread if you are looking for stipulations of the bet, or if you are trying to figure out why I won't answer anymore What Ifs. I've been answering what ifs for 4 months. [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 20, 2001).]
Oh, btw TPL. You aren't allowed back into the bet anyhow, unless you start your own thread to announce your bet. only bigboymumu gets credit for reinstating his application to play ball. Although he still has not restated the bid to my satisfaction. Get it right bigboy, or state that you will defer understanding of the bet to CriscoKidd, (ie, if he accepts loss, so do you). [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 20, 2001).]
Heypartner, I followed your link and read this... "The bet is: When rosters are announced, will a new SF be ranked ahead of Langhi?" I'm not making a bet one way or the other. I am commenting on the bet. My problem is that I have also read many other commentaries which seemed to indicate factors other than that listed in quotes above. As an example, who is to determine the operative moment the rosters are announced and exactly how a determination is made that someone is listed ahead of Langhi? My personal opinion is that your side of the bet is correct UNLESS there is a free agent acquisition, a trade acquisition, or a top ten pick of a small forward. However, Langhi could be moved, in which case you lose. Langhi could be injured, in which case everyone may claim victory. It is your bet to run as you see fit, but if it all goes to hell in a hand basket, people will blame the person who ran it. The fact that few can succinctly state it should be an indicator that it is not universally understood. ------------------ Some days you eat the bear. Some days the bear eats you.
I am not the arbitrator of the bet. mango is If we don't get a sufficient Rudy quote concerning Langhi by Oct 31st, then we can only fall back on who hits the floor first...injuries or not. Bottomline is that Crisco and I have agreed on the bet, which is basically that Langhi will be undeniably usurped. Those who want to play must live or die with Crisco and I deciding who won...given the fact there is a fair arbitrator to decide if neither Crisco or I concede. very simple...there is no other way to do it. If you aren't willing to accept the decision of the primary betters and arbitrator, then don't bet. You are only betting your moniker and post counts. It isn't money.
HeyPops- I will defer to Cisco Stock. I feel like I am at a poker table in Vegas for the first time with one hand covering my eyes and the other covering my but. Anybody reading this thread should not be persuaded by HP. The Rockets will move up in the draft. The Rockets will not draft a PF with the first pick because we will either sign Webber or resign Taylor. If we sign Mo we will keep Dream and draft a SF, if we sign Webber we will either draft a high school center or a SF. If we lose Anderson we will draft a SF. Why would we move up to draft, yes a SF only to see him on the bench? What do I know? I am just a poor graduate student taking a break from my studies. ------------------ Fuggetabout it
I enjoy reading the views regarding the bet. I will not participate because (1) I conveniently lack the requisite number of posts to qualify, and (2) even if I did, I don't feel strongly one way or the other. Rudy won't put someone in front of Langhi unless it is a vet acquired by trade or free agency, or a highly drafted rookie (top ten). It is hard to see the Rockets moving up without taking a big man by doing so, which favors Langhi. On the other hand, I don't see why Langhi has so many staunch supporters. He's a guy who is a second rounder on the second year of a two year contract. He barely played in a year when minutes were available, and his game is not exactly impressive. He has not demonstrated a three point shot or much defensive presence, so what is the attraction of this player? ------------------ Some days you eat the bear. Some days the bear eats you.
