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Top Iranian Nuclear Scientist Killed in Apparent Assination

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  1. FranchiseBlade

    FranchiseBlade Contributing Member
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    Ahh yes. Thou shalt not murder. I missed the part where it said 'unless it was an Iranian, then it's okay.'

    The sanctity of life unless that life is Iranian.

    Speaking of issues Jesus thought were the most important, how does murdering this guy have to do with loving thy neighbor?

    You read a much different Bible than the rest of us.
     
  2. HTM

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    Categorizing this killing as a “murder” is laughable.

    Everyone who sits down at the table that guy sat down at knows what they’re doing and what ring they are throwing their hat in.
     
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  3. Dubious

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    It was a planned murder designed to keep Biden from resurrecting the Nuclear Deal.
    It's as simple as that, a mob hit, strictly business.
     
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  4. durvasa

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    It is murder, by any reasonable definition of the word.
     
  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Total nonsense. Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map and is the sponsor behind countless mass murders and terrorism going on. This guy was in the process of helping Iran to weapons of mass destruction. If Israel was involved in this, it was self-defense.
     
  6. HTM

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    That means any killing associated with international espionage is “murder” - nonsense.

    That dude chose to play in the game of shadows.
     
  7. durvasa

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    Iran’s pursuit of nuclear weapons can also be argued, far more credibly, to be “self defense”. And there is scant evidence that this scientist was actively involved in weapons development in recent years. It is clear to me that this was nothing more than a murder for political ends. All sorts of rationalizations for criminal behavior are possible when you allege every form of aggression is defensive.
     
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  8. durvasa

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    That is right. If Iran sent someone to kill Netanyahu, or a director working in US DoD lab, it is also murder.
     
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    So I guess China Russia or anyone can kill American scientists or any civilians they deemed fit. This sets a bad precedent.
     
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    Stop embarrassing yourself.
     
  11. AleksandarN

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    The only one embarrassing themselves is you. Justifying murder
     
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    Why bother?

    People here send death threats to scientists or are quick to assume they're in some evil cannibalistic pedo ring when someone on the internet says they are.
     
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    Not just iran, but for the collective betterment of the entire world no country should be pursuing nukes. The problem here is not an "if" ...it's a when. Otherwise I see where you are coming from. Iran will one day under the current state of affairs. That's the scary part, nuclear weapons have been around for 80 years now. Their bottle neck is obtaining enriched fissile material. I can see what Israel and the US are trying to do, but its a total half measure. Assassinating a scientist here and there isn't going to solve their problem. You're either prepared or ready to go to full out war or some sort of treaty similar to the obama administration. Iran knows this, they're just going to be inching closer and closer at a slower pace. I liken this scenario to the teenager trying to take liberties you know that they will one day have.

    Acts like these turn Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons into a need* not just a want. To the far extremist people under the current regime it just provides affirmation/justifications and silences the moderates .
     
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  14. Nook

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    No, it is murder. You can justify it (depending on your political perspective) but it is certainly murder. The man was executed.
     
  15. rocketsjudoka

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    Sanctions have certainly hurt Iran but that doesn't mean that they are helpless or can't respond. Iran is still involved with the conflict in Yemen that has tied up Saudis. Since they are tacitly aligned with the Assad Regime and Russia in Syria has strengthened their hand in the region. Qatar has also moved closer to Iran putting it at odds with the other Gulf States. Also let's not forget they still wield large influence with Shia militias in Iraq.

    The softening of relations between the UAE, Saudi Arabia and Israel has little to do with good feelings but because those countries see Iran as the greater threat so Israel has put itself on the Sunni side of the Sunni Shia conflict.
     
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    If you fear the Ayatollah, don't make him an ally of the Iranian youth by looking like you can kill Iranians with spooky CIA tactics. It confirms we are The Great Satan.

    You'd be more effective dropping a million satellite phone laptops.
     
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  17. fchowd0311

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    Provide nuance dude. You have always had a afinnity to hate anything that is brown and Muslims irrationally. To think that a nation-state doesn't have self-preservation instincts is irrational.
     
  18. durvasa

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    It is embarrassing that you’re unable to see why Israel would be motivated to kill him, regardless of whether he was actively involved in nuclear weapons development. Under your own logic, it would be justified regardless of whether he was involved because it would still supposedly serve the larger purpose of protecting Israel’s security.

    This is the relevant bit about what he was actively engaged in, according to our State department:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...fdb6a8-30ce-11eb-9dd6-2d0179981719_story.html


    A June 2020 report released by the U.S. State Department stated that former workers in the nuclear weapons program had been kept employed on projects with “weaponization-relevant dual-use technical activities” under the leadership of Fakhrizadeh.

    This suggests that “Iran preserved this information at least in part potentially to aid in any future nuclear weapons development work in the event that a decision were made to resume such work,” the State Department wrote.​

    From the report:

    “Iran’s efforts to retain files, documents, and personnel related to its pre-2004 nuclear weapons program – as revealed in the atomic archive acquired by Israel in 2018 – suggest that Iran may have maintained this information at least in part to preserve technical expertise relevant to a nuclear weapons capability, and potentially to aid in any future effort to pursue nuclear weapons again, if a decision were made to do so.”

    ...

    “During the reporting period, the United States continued to assess that Iran is not currently engaged in key activities associated with the design and development of a nuclear weapon.”
     
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  19. fchowd0311

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    Which is odd as Sunni Islam is far more responsible for international jihad terrorism like by a absurd amount.
     
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  20. fchowd0311

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    I don't even think an Iranian national who cares about sovereignty of their nation has to be extremist to want the ultimate "don't step on my property" yard sign.

    That's why nuclear weapons are seen as the golden ticket ro nation-states keeps my their sovereignty and indepdence... The ultimate "don't invade me" device. And the United States provides reasons for those nation-states to have rational concerns of their sovereignty being toppled.
     
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