GM no longer supports Trump plan against California

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
- some prophetic dude-

Trumpism was the last line of defense for corporate deniers. The profits going forward are going to be catering to the change in public sentiment. Everything is going to be 'green', 'carbon neutral', energy efficient, in advertising and press releases. The actual effect probably won't be much. But, as Califirnia goes the nation follows because it is the largest and most profitable market.

 

Nah dude. People keep telling me California is communist. Communism doesn't generate profits. Fake news.

 

There's going to be A LOT more of these reversals in the next 50-something days.

 

Well, people should remember what these guys' stance was when they thought they could get away with it.

 

Fun fact, the 1980 Corvette in Cali is only a 305 and has like 36 horsepower. Thanks GM.

 

Trump was merely a useful idiot !

 

2020 Corvette has engine in the backseat.

 

I'm not sure how familiar everyone is with this, but this was an awful bet by GM. Basically, California is planning on raising CAFE standards to 50 mpg and this was done in coordination with most automakers. In fact, most automakers agreed to adopt the California standard nationally and commit to 50 mpg average fleets for all states.

GM, Toyota and Chrysler did not join that pledge and instead all three supported a Trump lawsuit to strike down California's authority (in order to get out of implementing a 50 mpg standard anywhere in the US). Of course the political downside is that we now have an incoming administration that could easily raise the federal CAFE standard to 50 mpg to match the California mandate. Instead of just leaving things alone, they put a target on their backs as it is very likely that the Biden administration would just nationalize the California standard if California's authority is struck down.

 

They don't. Fox News and their ilk have done great messaging of protecting "job creators" and "entrepreneurs" by shrouding small local 5-20 businesses with 5k-20k corporations.

Any "regulation" is bad. Reducing cancer causing and life threatening emissions is bad. EPA is bad etc...

So anything that taxes GM is an assault to poor old mom n pops... a near perfect simulacra of projecting Monsanto into independent farmers

 

Americans aren't gonna turn their backs on GM, Ford, or Dodge trucks and a lot of Americans dont support California's effort.

Consumer wise it really wasn't a risk

There was a thread on this

https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/...as-authority-to-set-vehicle-standards.301252/

 

50MPG is quite the leap from current numbers .... I get 36 city in my mini cooper in green mode driving like granny and that's a very small vehicle with an ultra efficient turbo and driving like that is mind numbing .... normal driving I get 25ish.

How near peak efficiency are we with the internal combustion engine ? I'd wager that's getting close to its peak .... we'll have to make new gains elsewhere - aerodynamics and cutting even more weight from vehicles to increase mileage to that 50 target and cutting weight is both difficult and expensive as that's likely to come in the form of composite materials like carbon fiber and every time we turn around they add a new bell or whistle to cars and those add to the total .... then there's safety and performance which we collectively refuse to sacrifice.

Hard to see an additional 28% increase in efficiency with an ICU.

 

The newest Toyota Camrys currently get 39mpg on the hwy

 

No dude. You might want to read the actual desired regulation. It's a fleet average of 50mpg which includes electric vehicles. Pretty much all manufactures are developing a all electric version of their current fleet. Hell, Ford is making an all-electric Mustang.

You ain't going to squeeze out much more thermal efficiency out of combustion engines or reduce much more in drivetrain losses. But you can drastically increase your fleet's mpg with having half your fleet being all electric vehicles. This still leaves manufacturers room to even still develop a high peeformance combustion motor for a sports car as long as they offset it with electric vehicles.

 

@fchowd0311 clearly said 50 mpg average fleets for all states

https://www.usnews.com/news/article...s-per-gallon-for-all-cars-by-2025-not-exactly

 

The 50 mpg number is a fleet average. The way you hit 50 mpg is with electric cars (because those end up measuring as an equivalent 100+ mpg) so the electric cars end up offsetting vehicles with lower efficiency (trucks, SUVs, etc..). Additionally, that number largely forces the implementation of hybrid engines on a much larger number of vehicles to help boost the fleet average fuel economy.

Also, the 50 mpg number is phased in over time (with the full number implemented by 2026). VW, Ford, BMW and Honda all agreed to implement the 50 mpg standard nationwide when they agreed to the deal with California so clearly they're confident in their ability to meet the average. Ford was probably the most interesting of the bunch because they are exiting the Sedan market so they must be projecting a near universal switch to hybrids on the remaining fleet as well as growing electric sales to offset the rest.

 

What don't you understand? This NEEDS to be done. Gasoline/Diesel engines have started on the extinction path. It will take decades, but it needs to be done.

 

Im talking about the general sentiment. Im not arguing about the need for higher standards just stating how Americans feel

 

I didn't realize it was "fleet average" as I came into the discussion late and didn't read the entire thread .... That's a very reachable goal with EV's , just doesn't seem very reachable with internal combustion.

The only real issue with EV's is their range is still very limited.

The electric Mini has a range of 145 miles , the Mustang Mach E 211-300. The Mustang being the only Non Tesla model to reach 300 , the Tesla has a range of 220-320 depending upon battery upgrades.

Not a big deal for city driving .... but a real killer for road trips.

And then there's recharge time ..... where they make it seem as simple as plugging it in at home but fail to mention the 4 day wait.

I can believe that , I easily get 42+ in my cooper in green mode with the cruise control set to 65 on a flat road .... but who drives 65 on the highway.
Friend of mine posted a picture on social media of getting 38 and change in a V6 Dodge Challenger on the highway.

 

One of the largest advantages of EVs is that every morning you are up to go to work, your EV is fully charged. If you use your EV just for commutes to work and driving around your metro area it's almost a certain guarantee you will never need to go to a charging station as you'll just come home and top off the battery overnight.

For road trips, we definitely need to increase our charging station infrastructure. Federal infrastructure bills can really push that forward.