It's not an excuse, when the numbers are right in front of your face. Wins and losses are a team stat; not a QB stat. (In the last five games, against better defenses, the Seahawks are 2-3. Wilson has an 11-7 TD/INT ratio) When you look at Deshaun's individual numbers, they are pretty close to Wilson. Dude has had the best numbers in the league since O'Brien got fired. 12 total touchdowns and no interceptions in five games. Wilson has four games total this season with no interceptions. Wilson has had a game where he scored 0 touchdowns and threw 2 interceptions. They have both had their share of clunker games.
There are no bad vibes. Just too many rose colored glasses. All the things you said first apply to Wilson. The Seahawks have a worse Oline and Defense than the Texans do. That’s just facts. Both Fuller and Cooks have a higher YPC than Lockett. And are top 23 in the league in yardage-above the likes of Robert Woods, CD Lamb, Mike Evans, Julio Jones (Fuller), AJ Brown, Chase Claypool, JuJu. In my mind there are two conversations. First, Watson is overpaid for his production and not as good as those in that same pay range. Second, the rebuild is going to basically take up the life of his contract and limit the ability to speed up the rebuild.
Again, 5 game cherry pick is not the norm. Second, you claimed passer rating was in favor of Watson-it’s not and it’s by a much bigger margin than QBR. You know who has similar or better numbers to Watson? Allen, Carr, Tannehill, Ryan, Herbert (better rookie season than Watson) Brees
Also, Quarterbacks are the only player assigned wins and losses. If you keep comparing Wilson to Watson, I don’t know what to say. Compare him to those that are in his peer group I guess.
It Is NoT cHeRrY-pIcKiNg, ThErE iS a ReAsOn I pIcKeD fIvE gAmEs. Say it with me: COACHING MATTERS. It's not like I picked every other game or every third game; it is when the problematic coach left the building. When did I claim that passer rating was in favor of Watson? Speaking of similar passer ratings, you better put some respect on Taysum Hill's name. He must be better than Wilson; because of passer rating.
LOL @ Houston having a "good" offensive line. I wish football outsiders wouldnt have gone private behind the pay wall to be able to dig a little deeper and provide some OLINE centric stats to compare, while in brass tacks what you say might be accurate, it still seems to imply a competent unit for Houston, and I assume you watch the games and can attest that "good" should not be applied to the offensive line in Houston. Does Seattle have a "worse" OLine? Okay. YOu can have a doo doo sandwich or a diarrhea milkshake. Lose/Lose. I would rather have Tyler Lockett than either Fuller or Cooks - regardless of the stats, but I wonder how much the QB has to do with marginal talents being fully utilized? So now we are going to debate the 31 and 32 ranked defenses this year - great! Well at least Deshaun was able to hide behind one of the best defenses in the league his first year - oh wait no. 2016 was Brock Osweiler. Damn. One mans trash is another mans treasure - I think Watson is paid accordingly. If you take away the gross overpays at the LB, RB, WR, and OL into account.
Funny that when I go to NFL.com or ESPN.com I don't see wins and losses with the QB stats. They need to step their game up.
And after that I say he is close. I'm not arguing that Watson is better. I will say that this year their performance has been close.
And I’m not trying to bash Watson. The last 5 games have been excellent. The numbers aren’t as important as the way he’s been playing, smart decisions for most part. If, he continues this play he will be up there in the realm of Wilson, Mahomes and Rodgers.
For the record I never said Pete Carroll was an offensive coach. I said he was a better coach than BoB. I have a few questions @cmoak1982 - Do you think Deshaun would be a better QB than he is now if he were on another team, say the Chiefs? - Who would you list as your top QBs in the league, I know you said Deshaun was around 7, I'm just curious. - To stay on topic who would you choose as our next coach?
I think right now is about as good as he can play. If that is his ceiling I don’t think team change or coach change would do much. Mahomes is still just better, mainly do with arm talent. Tier 1 Mahomes Wilson Rodgers. Tier 2 Brady Brees Allen Watson Carr Tannehill Murray Big Ben Herbert (Still want to see more but is impressive) And as far as coach I would like to see EB, Brady and that’s pretty much it.
Agree to disagree. No need to argue. Proven: Mahommes Wilson Rodgers (might be downgrading soon) Proven but declining: Brady Brees Ben Unproven but very impressive and on the rise: Watson Jackson Murray We know who they are: Rivers Carr Tannehill Impressive but need more data: Herbert Burrow Lock
Not really, just in that tier imo. For play this year, he’s middle of second tier. For potential and long term, he’s at top of that tier.
I can agree with most. Jackson is figured out, it’s what I thought would happen with him. He’s not good enough with accuracy and finer details of Quarterback play. Allen should also be in that tier with Watson and Murray. Herbert will join them and possibly pass him if he continues what he’s doing. He’s about to have the best rookie season for a QB ever. Carr (only 29) And Tannehill are literally performing at the same level as Watson right now overall. They get denigrated for some reason. edit* Rodgers doesn’t look anywhere close to slowing down and is still the gold standard (Watson high side comparison)
