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Losing Harden is a blessing in disguise

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Nov 19, 2020.

  1. don grahamleone

    don grahamleone Contributing Member

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    You are a liar is what you are. At least be honest with yourself. We all know who you are when it comes to our beloved James Harden!
     
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    We haven’t lost James yet, and maybe we won’t. Possibly down the road, but perhaps not now. While I’m eager to move Westbrook, I think we’re crazy not to see what we can put around Harden. Seeing what we can do when the dust settles and the season starts is not a bad idea at all, in my opinion. James is under contract with the Rockets for a considerable length of time, after all.

    Some of the moves Stone has made so far have been intriguing. We can always move James at the deadline and likely for more than we can get now, in my opinion. The same could be said about Westbrook, but I’d rather not wait on moving him if Stone can come up with a deal better than what I’ve heard about so far. I think the eagerness to move Harden by some around here borders on lunacy. Let’s see how things play out.
     
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    He has given Harden some vertical spacing again with Wood. Lobs off pick and rolls are back . Woods also has a 3 pt shot so we might see some pick and pop action off screens for wood.

    I do think Harden will be here for the foreseeable future to. If Stone can somehow turn House and Gordon into a good starting caliber SF we could see Harden decided to thaw the rift and stay without dramas
     
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  4. JayGoogle

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    I don't think there is any chance we trade Harden.

    Tilman knows whats up. He's got jerseys and merch to sell. It's just unfortunate that he won't be putting a championship winning team around him.
     
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    last year, the rockets were down 0-2 to the warriors, then tied it 2-2. harden in those 2 games? 40/10/5 averages. people act like harden's just out here never having any good games.

    in the last 3 years, the rockets have played 7 series. their opponents have included kevin durant (x2), steph curry (x2), lebron james, anthony davis, chris paul, and donovan mitchell (x2) and harden's own teammates have included cp3 (x5), and westbrook (1 series).

    in those 7 series, harden has led the entire series in game score 6 out of 7 times. you can nitpick here or there, but pretending he hasn't been producing is ridiculous. just for reference, only lebron and mj have led more than 55% of their series so 6 out of 7 at any point is pretty amazing.
     
  6. Stephen_A

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    Yes people are stupid. Lebron doesn’t dominate every playoff game. AD surely doesn’t. Kawhi didn’t and Steph Curry didn’t yet all those guys are champions. Harden has worked so hard his whole career and he has to because we lacked scoring. Westbrook’s addition took some of that load off. Unfortunately he played hurt last year in the playoffs. That is why this woods signing is interesting. If he is as good as they say we might see our team completely change our style and score more effectively without harden having to work so hard all the time.
     
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    vlaurelio Contributing Member

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    @ashleyem who would you have paired with cp3 in 2018 so you can get your guaranteed chip in a silver platter?
     
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    No one talked about this but there were early reports of rockets trading Westbrook. This came out before any talks of discontent from the stars. Could it possibly be that management wanted to trade Westbrook all along? This may have caused distrust from Westbrook, Harden and even PJ Tucker as we saw in his IG post about keeping it 100. I’m willing to bet the Rockets not being upfront about moving Russ is what started this mess combined with the hiring of a coach the stars didn’t necessarily choose and their views on the departure of MDA and Morey.
     
  9. daywalker02

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    Sure, but Harden is easily to predict.

    His best games of a series would be either the 1st, 2nd or 3rd game.

    His worst games are scattered at the end of the series.

    He is fatigued, it is very easy to read.

    He is now trying to play Defense to make up for the bad shooting at the end of a series.
     
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    Can you put it all on him or our lack of scoring threats? Or perhaps MDA’s inflexibility and lack of innovation? Lots of factors into this. All those championship teams had so many ways to beat you while we only had harden and CP3 off Isos or high screen and rolls. That’s why I put the onus on MDA and Morey. Their style, their system, their personnel.
     
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    Sure, as you said it depends on lots of things but the outcome is mostly the same. For 8 years now.
     
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    replacing harden would have surely changed the outcome to a 'chip?
     
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    25 years
     
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    Can't fault him for the years he wasn't here, just being fair.
     
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    Hey laurelio, good to see you.

    Folks were asking where you were.
     
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    To be fair, this organization has to do better whether James is here or not. They haven't gotten it done in a quarter century. You're right its bigger than James.
     
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  18. daywalker02

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    That book is a little deeper than just the Harden chapter.

    It usually started with a cheap owner and went down to mediocre bench players who shoot mediocre percentages in the playoffs.
     
  19. vlaurelio

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    still here been mostly on the d&d

    care to answer my question?
     
  20. vlaurelio

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    alot deeper
     

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