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Another reason to avoid the Nissan

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by mrpaige, Mar 4, 2004.

  1. Dr of Dunk

    Dr of Dunk Clutch Crew

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    Which Lexus? ES 330? LS 430?
     
  2. mrpaige

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    By the way, the part to fix my car still hasn't come in.

    So, I've not had my car since late January. I was assured that the part was coming April 1. Round about April 1, I get a call saying the part has been "released". Now I thought that meant that they were shipping it immediately.

    Nope. Having your part released means at least three more weeks of waiting.

    I get the feeling that they're just trying to run out the clock on the lease. Of course, that's another 12 months away, but the way it's been going, it wouldn't surprise me if it took another year to get the part.

    Just something to think about when looking to buy a car.

    I guess "just in time" inventory has morphed into "Just Three or Four Months From Now" inventory at Nissan North America.
     
  3. Rockets2K

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    you should fault the dealer for hemhawing around about the loaner....that is the responsibility of the dealership...

    as for importing parts....it is not uncommon for certain little used parts to take a long time to come in....when I worked for AJ Foyt Chevy...GM had several cars that were foreign built and sometimes the parts would take forever to be imported.....but at least the dealer would immediatley offer up a loner to the customer .

    and also....on your point about going over the dealers head to the regional.....the regional manager over the dealers is not the same division that deals with parts...they may have not known anything about your situation unless you brought it to their attention..

    always alwasys call the regional guys if you have a problem witht he dealer....(like in them stalling about getting you a loaner) you should never have had to threaten them with exposure to get them to clear you a loaner....

    that just isnt how it is supposed to work.
     
  4. mrpaige

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    Nissan has known for some time now that the part was on backorder. It hasn't made it get here any faster (and the customer service rep from Nissan North America was the one who lied about the part being available at another dealership in order to get out of providing a rental car as I requested).

    Personally, I kind of think the transmission isn't a little-used part. They should probably have more of those around.

    Nissan should be required to keep parts that make the thing run. Or at least provide them within a reasonable time period. Say 30 days at the most. The fact that Nissan is allowed to operate as a going concern while also not suppling the parts that make their cars run for months at a time is atrocious. If I were in charge, they wouldn't be allowed to sell cars in this state unless they had an adequate supply of parts on hand. And if anyone's car waited longer than 30 days for a repair, they'd have to shut every dealership in the state down until they made the part available.

    And my personal opinion, the loaner car should be comparable to the car the person has purchased. If it's going to take three or four months to fix the car, the owner shouldn't notice the difference to any great degree.

    I also think the dealership is at fault for giving me a loaner car with temporary tags which were set to expire on March 15th, but not saying anything about the metal tags being in until Friday (essentially they let me drive around with expired plates for a month).

    Oh, and the dealership did provide me with a loaner car the day after I first asked for one. It originally didn't come up because it was only going to be five days, according to the lady at Nissan North America. So, since I had access to a friend's truck at the time, I didn't ask for a loaner.

    After a month, I was going to have to give the truck back. At that time, the April 1st date became the drop-dead-it'll-definitely-be-there date. The dealership then told me to call Nissan and ask about a rental car. I did that. They gave me the run-around (and eventually lied and said the part was on it's way and would be there that week even though they had to know that wasn't true).

    It was during the time that Nissan North America was giving me the run-around that I first asked the dealership for a loaner car. I included within that initial request all the threats I had just doled out to Nissan North America, but it was really the first time I had requested a loaner car.

    Now, the dealership probably should've asked from the get-go if I needed a loaner (and I would've taken one then had it come up), and they probably should've offered one instead of telling me to call Nissan to get them to approve a rental car. BUT, the first time I asked them for a loaner, they did get me one.

    It's Nissan that lied to get out of providing alternate transportation, and it's Nissan that isn't stocking transmission parts in the United States and cannot provide them for several months at a time.

    So, I essentially overpay for a low-end Sentra because Nissan can't provide a part.
     
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    And I really can't believe that a buyer has no recourse against a company not providing parts.

    If Nissan wanted to, it would apparently be perfectly within their rights to never import the parts I need again. They could simply run out the clock on all their warranties. They could certainly avoid Lemon Law replacements by running out the clock.

    I can't believe there's no "reasonable time" requirement on parts availability. As far as I know, it's only sheer goodwill from the manufacturer that any parts are ever made available (and if it becomes too big of a problem, sales can be affected).

    The law has no problem with a car company selling a $25K paper weight and doing nothing to allow it to be fixed.

    That amazes me.
     
  6. Rocket Fan

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    First bad things I've heard about Nissan. My dad had great luck with his, and the service for my Infiniti is fantastic. Heck, they will give me a loaner car when I get an oil change.

    Sorry to hear about your problems. I haven't heard anything else bad about them over the years so maybe it is an isolated incident. That certainly does not help you any though.

    At the very least, you should not be having to pay the lease when you don't even have the car. This sounds like an issue that calling up someone on the news would probably help resolve.
     
  7. mrpaige

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    From reading Nissan-related message boards, I know the wait for parts is not isolated. While I've not found anyone who needed the same specific part, I saw many others who waited months at a time for various parts to come in.
     
  8. mrpaige

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    Well, I've now contacted the local television stations and filed a complaint with the State of Texas and with the BBB in Gardena, CA (where Nissan is headquartered).

    I also wrote to my elected representatives noting that a law requiring parts be provided within a reasonable time frame would be a good idea, especially in this election year when cozying up to consumers can't possibly be a bad idea.

    I doubt anything will become of it, but at least I've put it out there and made the attempt to embarrass Nissan into actually fixing my car.

    If the part doesn't arrive this week, I'm calling Nissan HQ and will try to get a settlement of some sort (even if it's just canceling the remaining lease and walking away without penalty). Three months is long enough to wait for a part.
     
  9. Molotov Cocktail

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    What kind of Acura did you get? I had a 1996 3.2TL that had 149,318 miles on it the day I was t-boned by an a-hole running a red light back in November, thus totalling my car. Never had even a hint of trouble with it; drove the Alaska Highway 7 times in it, and keep in mind that I live in a place where 40 degrees below zero is a rather common occurence in the winter.

    I'd be very surprised if you are disappointed with yours.


    And mrpaige, sorry to hear about all your dealership troubles....
     
  10. DanHiggsBeard

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    When you take your car to a dealership to be worked on you can just go ahead and assume that they really mean about 4 to 5 days for each one they quoted you.

    My 5 day quote turned into 6 weeks, and the dealer didn't give me a courtesy car until the middle of the 4th week. Before then was horrible because I work 40 miles away from home and can't use public transportation. I really put my wife out by using her car which forced her to find a ride ti work each day.
     
  11. esse

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    BTW, I traded in my 2003 Frontier and got a 2004 Toyota Matrix this weekend!:cool: :D
     
  12. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    Worse experience with Nissan or Audi?
     
  13. bamaslammer

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    I saw my cousin who works at a Nissan dealership in New Orleans at Easter and from the view of a parts man who knows his cars (having worked for Nissan for almost 15 years), he called the new Maxima and Altima "garbage." He said that Nissan pulled a GM by rushing out product before the bugs were worked out. Both are suffering from severe tranny problems. And he also let me know that if the Titan/ Armada tanks, Nissan is in deep do-do.
     
  14. Chance

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    I was in a 1996 Altima stopped on 610 when a lady in a 3/4 ton ford pick-up rear ended me going over 60 mph. I survived with no injuries. The lady in front of me, in a Taurus, broke both of her arms. The lady in front of her, in a little POS Toyota, broke both of her legs and her ribs.

    I will never bag on a Nissan product.

    My car was crunched to where it was about 6 feet long, bumper to bumper and the only part that was intact was the driver and passenger cavities.

    What a trip that was!
     
  15. Joshfast

    Joshfast "We're all gonna die" - Billy Sole
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    That's one of the reasons I want a Volvo, namely the new Vovlo S40 awd or S60 R. If you get into a wreck, the saftey features will probably save your butt.
     
  16. codell

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    I hope not. I got a new Armada this weekend. I must say that its a sweet ride.

    I continue to be pleased with Nissan.
     
  17. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    I got my wife a Lexus in December and recently she told me, "you've ruined me. My infatuation with German cars is officially over. I don't want anything but a Lexus for the rest of my life."

    Of course, I'm sure that's subject to change, but Lexus certainly sets the standard for how a dealership should treat you. She had a Maxima when we got married, and I wasn't particularly fond of the car.....especially when its residual was such crap. Last month I went to buy a truck for myself, and I decided to have an open mind. I looked at everything: from the new Titan and Tundra Double Cabs to Dodges, Fords, Chevy's, and GMC's. Of course, none of the dealerships were like the Lexus, but I only got REALLY pissed at one of the dealerships: Nissan.
     
  18. mrpaige

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    Audi was worse because everything was a major pain. It took weeks just to get into the dealership to have the car looked at. And there were so few dealerships that going to any one was a pain where I lived. And once at the dealership, it might wait for weeks before anyone even looked at it. And the people at the dealership were always very rude.
     
  19. MoBalls

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    Maybe you should buy a bike next time..........;)
     
  20. ths balla

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    my parents got an armada about 6 months ago and there is nothing wrong with it. it is a beautiful car an i cant wait till september when i can drive it
     

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