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IF Harden is traded . . . .

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rocket River, Nov 17, 2020.

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When would you expect the Rockets to make the playoffs and win a series again?

  1. This year

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  2. Next year

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%
  3. 3-5 years

    24 vote(s)
    27.9%
  4. 5-8 years

    26 vote(s)
    30.2%
  5. 8+ years

    26 vote(s)
    30.2%
  1. banzai

    banzai Contributing Member

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    Yep, the money laundering scheme goes like this: hire cheap ass people, make cheap assed food, charge a lot for everything so as to cook the books. Everything that he touches turns into trash basically. I can watch harden all day long... it’s just easy to be a harden fan if you’re a harden fan.
     
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  2. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
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    Probably not in my lifetime. I'm too old for this.
     
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  3. tinman

    tinman Contributing Member
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    Good question brother.

    look at history .

    there was a major gap between winning a playoff series from 1997 to 2009
    then 2009 to 2015


    so 6 and 12 years were the major gaps between playoff series wins .
    2016 was the last time we mcgradyed out in the first round.


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    Season     Lg               Team  W  L W/L%   Finish     SRS  Pace Rel Pace  ORtg Rel ORtg  DRtg  Rel DRtg               Playoffs                                  Coaches               Top WS
    2020-21   NBA    Houston Rockets  0       0                                                                                                                                            1st of 5
    2019-20   NBA   Houston Rockets* 44 28 .611 1st of 5    3.13 103.7      3.4 112.9      2.3 110.1      -0.5    Lost W. Conf. Semis                       M. DAntoni (44-28)      J. Harden(13.1)
    2018-19   NBA   Houston Rockets* 53 29 .646 1st of 5    4.96  97.9     -2.1 115.5      5.1 110.7       0.3    Lost W. Conf. Semis                       M. DAntoni (53-29)      J. Harden(15.2)
    2017-18   NBA   Houston Rockets* 65 17 .793 1st of 5    8.21  97.6      0.3 114.7      6.1 106.1      -2.5   Lost W. Conf. Finals                       M. DAntoni (65-17)      J. Harden(15.4)
    2016-17   NBA   Houston Rockets* 55 27 .671 2nd of 5    5.84 100.0      3.6 114.7      5.9 109.0       0.2    Lost W. Conf. Semis                       M. DAntoni (55-27)      J. Harden(15.0)
    2015-16   NBA   Houston Rockets* 41 41 .500 4th of 5    0.34  97.6      1.8 108.3      1.9 108.1       1.7 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.   K. McHale (4-7) J. Bickerstaff (37-34)      J. Harden(13.3)
    2014-15   NBA   Houston Rockets* 56 26 .683 1st of 5    3.82  96.5      2.6 107.0      1.4 103.4      -2.2   Lost W. Conf. Finals                        K. McHale (56-26)      J. Harden(16.4)
    2013-14   NBA   Houston Rockets* 54 28 .659 2nd of 5    5.06  96.3      2.4 111.0      4.3 106.3      -0.4 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                        K. McHale (54-28)      J. Harden(12.8)
    2012-13   NBA   Houston Rockets* 45 37 .549 3rd of 5    3.69  96.1      4.1 109.7      3.8 106.1       0.2 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                        K. McHale (45-37)      J. Harden(12.8)
    2011-12   NBA    Houston Rockets 34 32 .515 4th of 5    0.57  91.7      0.4 105.5      0.9 105.2                              0.6                        K. McHale (34-32)        G. Dragi(5.1)
    2010-11   NBA    Houston Rockets 43 39 .524 5th of 5    2.37  94.2      2.1 111.3      4.0 109.0                              1.7                       R. Adelman (43-39)       K. Martin(9.5)
    2009-10   NBA    Houston Rockets 42 40 .512 3rd of 5   -0.02  94.0      1.3 107.6      0.0 108.0                              0.4                       R. Adelman (42-40)        L. Scola(6.3)
    2008-09   NBA   Houston Rockets* 53 29 .646 2nd of 5    3.73  90.2     -1.5 108.4      0.1 104.0      -4.3    Lost W. Conf. Semis                       R. Adelman (53-29)        Y. Ming(10.6)
    2007-08   NBA   Houston Rockets* 55 27 .671 3rd of 5    4.83  90.4     -2.0 106.8     -0.7 101.6      -5.9 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                       R. Adelman (55-27)         Y. Ming(8.3)
    2006-07   NBA   Houston Rockets* 52 30 .634 3rd of 5    5.04  90.7     -1.2 106.0     -0.5 100.7      -5.8 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                     J. Van Gundy (52-30)      S. Battier(9.0)
    2005-06   NBA    Houston Rockets 34 48 .415 5th of 5   -1.30  88.0     -2.5 101.6     -4.6 103.3                             -2.9                     J. Van Gundy (34-48)         Y. Ming(8.6)
    2004-05   NBA   Houston Rockets* 51 31 .622 3rd of 5    4.27  88.8     -2.1 106.2      0.1 101.7      -4.4 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                     J. Van Gundy (51-31)     T. McGrady(12.0)
    2003-04   NBA   Houston Rockets* 45 37 .549 5th of 7    2.28  87.8     -2.3 100.9     -2.0  99.0      -3.9 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                     J. Van Gundy (45-37)        Y. Ming(11.4)
    2002-03   NBA    Houston Rockets 43 39 .524 5th of 7    1.89  88.8     -2.2 104.3      0.7 102.6                             -1.0                   R. Tomjanovich (43-39)     S. Francis(11.1)
    2001-02   NBA    Houston Rockets 28 54 .341 5th of 7   -4.31  88.2     -2.5 103.1     -1.4 108.6                              4.1                   R. Tomjanovich (28-54)       C. Mobley(5.7)
    2000-01   NBA    Houston Rockets 45 37 .549 5th of 7    2.71  90.4     -0.9 106.7      3.7 104.2                              1.2                   R. Tomjanovich (45-37)     S. Francis(12.2)
    1999-00   NBA    Houston Rockets 34 48 .415 6th of 7   -0.57  94.2      1.1 104.8      0.7 105.7                              1.6                   R. Tomjanovich (34-48)      S. Francis(6.4)
    1998-99   NBA   Houston Rockets* 31 19 .620 3rd of 7    1.39  88.8     -0.1 105.4      3.2 102.9       0.7 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                   R. Tomjanovich (31-19)      C. Barkley(6.8)
    1997-98   NBA   Houston Rockets* 41 41 .500 4th of 7   -1.23  91.0      0.7 107.7      2.7 108.6       3.6 Lost W. Conf. 1st Rnd.                   R. Tomjanovich (41-41)      C. Barkley(8.6)
    1996-97   NBA   Houston Rockets* 57 25 .695 2nd of 7    3.85  91.6      1.5 108.8      2.1 104.0      -2.7   Lost W. Conf. Finals                   R. Tomjanovich (57-25)      C. Barkley(9.4)
    
    
    
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  4. Rocket River

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    The deal sends Chris Paul and Abdel Nader to the Suns for Kelly Oubre, Ricky Rubio, Ty Jerome, Jalen Lecque and a 2022 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN.

    Here is the pick breakdown on the Jrue Holiday trade:

    New Orleans receives

    2020 1st (via IND)
    2024 right to swap
    2025 1st unprotected
    2026 right to swap
    2027 1st unprotected

    Harden trade has to top these right?

    Rocket River
     
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  5. tinman

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    absolutely.
    the rockets need to be smart. harden still has to play ball for the rockets, he has a contract.

    it's going to be anthony davis in new orleans for harden here.
     
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  6. Jontro

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    never with stone. now with patrick
     
  7. pr0wler

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    I have no idea how Jrue Holiday got traded for a reasonable starter, and 3 firsts and 2 swaps lol
     
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    Are those picks completely unprotected ?
     
  9. DeBeards

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    it's not about when
    it's about how to get rid of the f*cking fertitts from the board....
     
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  10. Easy

    Easy Boban Only Fan
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    If trading Harden doesn't get much more than trading CP3, then the Rockets will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
     
  11. Rocket River

    Rocket River Member

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    Agreed
    That is the floor .. . . Everything has to be better than that
    I would tell every NBA team that . . .. . otherwise NO TRADE IS EVEN ENTERTAINED !!!

    Rocket River
     
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  12. Easy

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    Floor? That should be the basement.
     
  13. lakersuck2

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    These last few days may have been rough as a Rockets fan but I draw solace from the fact that Kuzma was cyber bullied into deactivating his twitter account.
     
  14. smoothie

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    the problem here is that it isn't allowable to trade as many picks as it would take to acquire harden lol

    like maybe if the nets were allowed to give us 10 picks? but they're not. and even if they were, we would also need a young star like Simmons, Herro, etc.. and finding the combination of young talent and a stockpile of picks just isn't out there on any team in the league.

    so thinking of 3 team deals, can I get all these picks from the nets?: 19th, 2021, 2023, 2025, 2027 (would require waiting until after this draft), swaps in 2022, 2024, 2026 (all unprotected?), then keep Allen he's only 22, fine. then trade dinwiddie and levert to a 3rd team for picks. maybe they're worth 2 each like roco?

    so in the end could we net 12 picks?
     
  15. Caesar

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    Suns are at 10 seasons missing the playoffs, and just now showing promise to be a playoff team and possibly compete for the 2nd round. Tilly the new Sarvar, i think he can have that beat. 15 years without making the playoffs.
     

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