[McCabe] Secret intelligence exists that ‘would cast Trump in very negative light

Eh... PUBLIC information exists that cast Trump in a very negative light. But MAGA still support him.

But yes, if ACTIONABLE information exits, then he should for sure face legal consequences.

 

Trumps followers love a scumbag. They would love him even more.

 

I just wanna live long enough to see history write him the way I see him. I almost hope it’s a slow burn of stuff leaking out over a long time. So those morons that support him can keep digging their heels in further and further.

 

Is that hard to believe that it is possible WORST POTUS EVER.

 

I think we are looking at this wrong. I don't know if it's really pro-Trump as much as it is anti-democrats.

 

There is a problem with this logic. Trump is a shitty leader. He should not be president (i dont know why I must always caveat this statement). However, he is not some evil diabolical creature. I feel he is a true nationalist. Like anyone with power, its abused. He simply has no problem abusing it at a much high frequency than his predecessors. That said, Trump has mastered the art of division. He will tweet out an ignorant vague statement that each side will focus their lens for their own interpretation.
The problem with stating you would not be surprised if he was handing out nuclear codes to Russia feeds into this narrative. He isnt handing out nuclear codes to Russia. By lowering the bar of expectation so unreasonably low allows his unacceptable behavior appear like childs play. For example, his supports laugh off him saying he deserves a 3rd term, however its not amusing. They might tell you they wouldn't care he gets a third term, but they know he wont. Its prohibited by the constitution. They see it as mindless trolling the libtards for them saying ridiculous things like him nuking countries because they embarrassed him. Or handing out nuclear codes to Russia. No, he is not going to do that. Him declaring eligibility for a 3rd term or denying to accept democracy at work is more than enough reason to boot his ass from office. We do not need someone in office seeding the discord for future insurrections.

OP posted a misleading title. The actual quotes says "...that would risk casting the president in a very negative light." 'would' and 'would risk' have two very different connotations. Releasing nuclear codes (or something to that effect) is beyond a risk. I suspect he injected his arrogant input into something he should not have been involved in the first place.

 

Yep, one exit poller, when asked how a Evangelical like him would support Trump despite being a sleazebag responded, " I didn't select him to be my pastor or priest, I selected him to be my bodyguard."

Throw aside the upfront hypocrisy and compromising his beliefs as an example for his children.... They really afraid of libs destroying Murca

 

I like your point but you’re missing RJ’s point I think.

he doesn’t expect such an absurd video. He’s saying IF such an absurd video DID exist, it wouldn’t change any minds at this point.

that’s how I’m reading his point.

 

Outside of serial killers, who is actually evil or diabolical? Is Kim Jong Il? I mean he rationalizes everything he does. So does Putin, Saddam, etc etc - Trump admires these guys for a reason.

If intoxication with power is not evil, I can buy that. But then I am not sure if evil really exists outside of sociopaths (who many argue are just mentally ill in a horrible way).

Point being, Trump is a very bad hombre anyway you slice it. The man tried to find a way to overturn the results of an election. Just because he incompetently failed doesn't dilute the significance of what he tried. He wanted to strong arm state legislatures to appoint different electors so he could win. In certain circumstances he might have succeeded

He's set a precedent for future demagogues. Next time it might not be a Republican, it might be a Democrat who tries this. A smarter and more competent one. This is why dismissing Trump's antics as "awe shucks it's just harmless boofnery" is so dangerous. Populists don't only come in one flavor. They can be right-wing, or on the left.

You see, the right loves to talk about left wing populism as how a Castro comes to power. But in reality, it's the same swindle right-wing populists pull. They claim to be fighting for the people but really what they are after is authoritarian power. Socialism or Nationalism, it's the same game for strong men. Secular military dictators, right wing nationalists like Mussolini, left wing radicals like Chavez - all the same.

And Trump has shown others how you can use populism to break American democracy.

 

Yes. I’m saying Trump will or has done something like that I’m saying he will lose few supporters even if he did something patently awful.

Remember Trump himself said that he wouldn’t lose any support if he shot someone in Fifth Avenue and he said that to a room of supporters that kept on cheering him. Trump hasn’t publicly shot anyone but we have him on tape stating the seriousness of a disease that has killed hundreds of thousands of Americans while at the same time downplaying it including mocking and criticizing measures to fight it. Even hearing the actual tape which he still didn’t lose any support and continues with practices that literally are spreading the disease and putting his own supporters at risk

 

The NSA records every significant transaction worldwide. I believe there will be an ample paper trail to Trump using Russian oligarch money essentially laundering it for them.

Of course the MAGA crowd will say He's just a good businessman making use of cheap loan money.

 

I think there definitely will be an avalanche of leaks especially from inside his former adminstration. I doubt anyone truly cares for Trump while working under him and would love to sell spicy anecdotes of Trump doing or saying dumb or vile ****.

 

Trump doesn’t understand what being a Nationalist really means. He heard Stephen Miller and Bannon talking about it and thought it sounded cool. Trump only makes decisions with Trump in mind. That’s it. Plain full stop. He has no loyalty to anyone but himself. Trumps not really an anomaly that we should spend much time trying to crack. He’ll make any decisions that helps him personally even if it is selling the nuclear codes. The question about Trump is the other people around someone like Trump and those who support him.

As for his supporters laughing off things he says or threatens to do because it’s Trump and you believe they know better.... thats just not my experience with Trump supporters at all.

Ex: I was having drinks with friends one of which is a business owner, smart guy, etc. and it was during the George Floyd protests. The conversation came up about Antifa attacks that were apparently being planned in places like the woodlands, pearland, and in Dallas in areas like Trophy club, etc. I asked him if he supports giving Trump dictatorial powers so he can call in the military to eradicate the suburbs, and he said yes 100%. He was so convinced that Antifa and BLM were going to burn Trophy Club Texas that he was willing to give Trump absolute power.

This wasn’t some dumb redneck either. Then there are the fundamentalist Christians in my family. I’d need all day to post on here the insane crap they spew on Facebook. In real life though if you met them at a wedding or something they’d seem like nice conservative people.

The problem isn’t that someone like Trump has no barriers in our government. The problem is those barriers rely on people to execute those barriers, and people are being radicalized by extreme propaganda... most of which is anti American in nature because it preaches against the sidelines of Democracy and promotes the need for a Neo fascist autocracy strong man government very similar to what Russia has... and it has you convinced that there is no bigger threat in the world than a Democrat gaining power.

 

Historians will look back at this time as a post fact period as a strategy from one major party that is effective. It won't matter how much evidences there are and given the secrets they need to maintain, won't be convincing. It will be bits and pieces from leaks, hardly anything that can't be pushed down easily as fake news. On the other side, until you actually see the bit and pieces, there isn't anything here yet except one man words. I have my doubt that it's any more devastating that what we already know.

 

That would actually be illegal and treasonous. A poster mentioned"grab em by the p&##y. That wasnt illegal and clearly joking. His tax revelations arent illegal.

He was tried for impeachment and yes the voting fell on political lines but all the allegations of criminal activity are allegations

 

Is there actually a law against that or is it based on what we expect of the POTUS?

In my book, asking or encouraging foreign power to interfere in our election is treasonous behaviors. Especially so when it involve you do this to get that. Apparently there is no real law against it, or if there is, the Judge that can act on it is too corrupted to take action.

 

A constitutional question for a constitutional law expert but you're right it doesn't seem to be technically "illegal"

 

In addition to Mitt Romney voting for removal several Republican Senators agreed with the House Managers. Lamar Alexander said that the managers had proven the case without a doubt. Those that didn't vote for removal argued that with the election so close that it should be left to the voters to decide. In other words while they recognized that Trump had committed wrong doing but didn't have the spine to actually remove him.

Also Mueller stated clearly that he didn't charge Trump because of DOJ policy that prevented him from charging. He did say that once Trump is out of office he is liable to be getting charged.

 

Everything written about him is in a negative light and often untrue.

 

Mueller didn't charge him with obstruction? I dont like charging anyone for pettiness things arising from an investigation. In particular we all know what happened with Comey. He asked for his loyalty. That can be construed as obstruction, firing Comey and trying to fire Mueller, thats what Mueller and nothing was going to come of that in terms of charges of a sitting President