Report: James Harden Accountability, P.J. Tucker Contract Among Rockets' Gripes

Gordon hayward broke his wrist worse like 2 months later and returned much earlier than curry. I understand steph was just protecting his brand. He is not built to carry a team

 

Looks like Curry broke his hand October 30, 2019, and Hayward broke his hand November 9, 2019.

Agree, he's not nearly the floor raiser that Harden is. But Curry is a far superior ceiling raiser.

 

Sure when he surrounded by all star talent his ceiling is higher.

 

You know the Warriors won a title before Durant joined them, right?

 

Klay and Dray were all stars were they not?

 

Sure, and Klay would be an all-star no matter where he played. The same can't be said for Draymond Green.

 

So to my point Curry has always been surrounded with all star talent. When he was tasked with doing it alone Golden State was awful. Curry can’t carry a team the way Harden can. So how does curry have a higher ceiling? They are both 30. This is their ceiling and JH is a superior player.

 

Look at the 2014 season. Curry was the only all-star that year on the Warriors, and they won 51 games.

Curry raises a team's ceiling b/c of his GOAT shooting and ability to play off-ball.

 

Hate to say it.. but it’s time to blow it up..

 

Soooooo Curry is just a front runner.

Basically

Curry is a micro LeBron
Except he can only raise a great team . . ..
Put him on the Hawks . .. He is Trae Young

Rocket River

 

The most pessimistic theory of the present situation is that Fertitta is a bad, destructive owner, and he's destroying the team, and the destruction will continue until he sells the team.

The second-most pessimistic theory is that Harden rejects accountability and corrupts the culture of accountability for everyone else.

The third-most pessimistic theory is that although Harden makes every non-ball-handler better, he makes every ball handler worse. He shrinks the role and value of CP, Westbrook, Gordon, and others. CP goes to OKC and looks much better, because he's playing a broader role. Westbrook tries to fit in here, realizes he was better in OKC, and wants to go back to running possessions.

Harden controls too much of our game. He's a solo genius, but he constricts his teammates. Players who could help us come here and get discouraged, or they stay away because they see what happened to those who went before. Harden isn't just our floor. He's our ceiling.

 

How can you blow it up when you have the 2nd best player in the NBA, in his PRIME?

Even If the chances are slim, we gotta see what we can do with Russ/EG/House in the trade market...

 

Is that what you saw in the playoffs?

Because I saw 4 on 3s...

And in 2018, I saw a player step up to that challenge in Chris Paul.

We simply need better players and James will win, I still believe that.

Before the whole ship goes down, let's roll the dice on some high risk, high level talent.

 

After nearly 51 years as a Rockets superfan, it looks more and more like I got out just in time.

I would have quit rooting for this team when Fertitta bought it (worst owner ever after Donald Sterling) but I hung on because I didn’t want to let go of the team I have obsessed over my whole life, because I’m attached to the players, and because I’m a Morey superfan too, and have been since he got here, long before I met him.

Re: Morey, since some of you know we’re friends, none of my issues come from him. He has only ever had nice things to say about ownership. I had good personal reasons for hating Fertitta long before he bought the team. Like so many Houstonians.

I became a Bucks fan when they sat out and showed such bravery about things far more important than basketball. Fertitta was the only owner that took exactly the wrong message from it. By that time it was only my admiration of Morey that kept me hanging on. When he left and went to Philly I became a Sixers fan too and turned in my Rockets card.

If Tillman sells, I’ll be back, but not before then. I’m not such a homer that I’m going to root for a team just because it has “Houston” on its jerseys.

Go Sixers, go Bucks, and go the hell away Fertitta.

 

I’m just done. Just go to Philly... don’t care. Get a bunch of pics. We’re the Utah Jazz of the 2010’s.

 

Steph WAS surrounded by more All Stars even before Durant than Harden.

FACT.

 

That's a simplistic way of looking at things. Would Draymond Green have been an all-star without Curry?

 

That bad huh...what did Fertitta say to the Bucks sitting out? In any case, it's clear now with all these stories coming out that nobody on the team - even Harden - believes in Tilman is a owner committed to winning. PJ not being extended, Morey and MDA walking away, ducking taxes instead of going into luxury tax for a run probably has everyone questioning this moron with his big mouth. And I don't blame them. We literally are the Knicks of the West and it's odd I say we, being from Europe and truly becoming a fan only in 2007 and having realised how the league is corrupt. So it would be easy to just walk away from fandom, but it's not something you choose. While I love the Raptors for being in Canada, building the right way and having been there during the 2019 Finals, to truly be a fan of theirs has not happened yet so I doubt it ever will.

I can never probably lose that fan feeling towards the Rockets, but I am seriously considering not following them at all anymore. That's not to say Tilman is solely to blame, but he's a huge part of it and has caused this franchise to self-destruct. Putting his own son in an important position, that family portrait, it all reeks of Trump like egomania and self-absorption. The man has zero awareness, never shuts up and actually doesn't listen. He'll soon find out though, Harden is gone sooner or later, that you can bet your life savings on. It's probably within a year. Sad times ahead, that's for sure.

 

Go work for Tilman and you'll understand.

 

1. Do your research on the draft assets.

2. The draft assets have nothing to do with the team imploding. It ain't Morey's job to placate these players, he isnt the one talking and interacting with these players. It is Dumbtoni aka let-Harden-do-everything-including-coaching

3. EG and Rivers are unhappy with the diminished roles on the team. Again Morey isnt the one who allocates PT, he just brings in players. Was Morey the one who sat down Rivers for Demarre Carrol?

4. PJ Tucker is mad cuz he didnt get paid. PJ has been a trooper but he is also 35 yrs old. You really blaming Morey for not overpaying him?

5. Not sure how true the beef is between Harden and WB. Either way its between the 2 of them and has nothing to do with Morey. According to reports Morey didnt even want WB, Harden and Fertits were the ones who pushed for the trade so why is it Morey's fault now?

I dunno why you think Morey should be blamed for the players being upset. Also, maybe if Fertits didnt throw him under the bus during the China debacle maybe he wouldnt have left.