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Who are the real good guys and bad guys in politics?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Outlier, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. fchowd0311

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    That's the deep state bro. They all have sex with children in pizza parlor basements.
     
  2. Dubious

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    My version of good is :
    Full on support of Climate Change initiatives and subsidizing alternative energies
    Full support for Universal healthcare
    Full Support for Tax Reform eliminating the endemic provisions for tax evasion and passive income favoritism
    Full support for Affirmative action ( we haven't done enough since Andrew Johnson)
    Full Support for Mental Health Units and Community Policing (more hospitals less jails)
    Free Community College (the best value for improving lives)
    Full support for Democracy world wide (not that CIA bullshit but real support for emerging democracies)
    Full opposition to undemocratic regimes including Theocratic ones
    Full participation in the International community, promoting economic fairness, peace, innovation, health

    How's that for good?
     
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  3. Outlier

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    Sure.... now who is on your list of individuals who supported these causes and moved the needle?
     
  4. biina

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    The followers get the leaders they deserve.

    Do not blame the likes of Mitch for holding on to power, when the same ignorant electorate keeps voting to keep them in power.

    We just had two very old men contest for presidency, while the median age of senators is 65yrs with over 25% of them being older than 70
     
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  5. fchowd0311

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    I mean I agree with most of those positions but I don't think we should base "good vs bad" guys based on policy differences. Intent and motive should be the decision factor to me at least. So someone like Amash might have different views on this but I believe his intent is sincerely for a better America rather than self grifting.
     
  6. Dubious

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    That's you, the above is me. There are more disguised toadies for corporate lobbies out there to be exposed, certainly some D's too.

    You have to look beyond the narrative because most are PR creations
     
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    All you have to do is look at their hats.
     
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    You need to continue to watch and read and make those distinctions for yourself.

    To many people have biases in here and you have some yourself so just like most humans you will gravitate to those that are confirming your beliefs.

    I think there are plenty of evil doers but I don't think anybody is politics is a hero.
     
  9. Outlier

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    It's an open forum and I'm entertaining those biases. I've already said I welcome opinions from both sides. You don't need to come in here and police things because you feel a certain way. The discussion is simple, and there's no reason to complicate it.
     
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    And both would get nothing accomplished as president because they don't know the meaning of compromise.
     
  11. jiggyfly

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    How did I police anything?

    I gave my advice on what you need to do to become educated and why.

    How is what I posted complicated?
     
  12. Outlier

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    By implying you have some moral high ground claiming you understand the nature of humanity, repeating what others have already said in this thread therefore contributing nothing to the discussion.

    You have a habit of asking questions which are so obvious but in your eyes, you think they make you look smart. All it does is make you look arrogant.
     
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    How so? Amash lost his seat because he made a good faith effort to not zombie walk the Trump GOP narrative like 99% of GOP legislators.

    Anyone who's number one priority is to serve the American people rather than hold on to power and lobbyists will compromise in good faith because they see the compromise helps the people rather than just having window dressing to sell the American people for election purposes.

    I would say if Congress is filled with Amashes and AOCs, there would be more actual sincere compromise rather than kicking the can down the road on genuine issues.

    I expect the Democrat party for the next couple of months fight over which gender and race each cabinet member should be so this is a discussion for later.
     
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    Dude WTF.

    How the hell am I claiming to have some moral high ground by saying what most everybody understands to be true.

    I gave you my honest opinion on what you should do but somehow that offended you and the funny thing is I should be offended because you felt the need to @t me over something I said a week ago and you still where wrong about it.

    Like I said most humans gravitate to things they want to hear and get upset if its something they don't.

    I mean really wtf did I do to you?
     
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    Ok.
     
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    Dude chill with the lectures.
     
  18. Outlier

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    I wasn't wrong about anything.

    Just drop it, dude. You're too much.
     
  19. Invisible Fan

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    There's nothing simple in politics outlier.

    They go where the polls go. It's because they don't know what or when voters will kick them out. Dem candidates seem to be experts at moral certainty but always wrong at the polls and what the people believe them to be...

    Having two parties also means there's this angle where you think there's a right or wrong choice. The reality is that hard decisions get punted up the food chain until there's a few people deciding a matter of bad or worse. Even if there is a "right answer"...for what key issue?

    So you get weird positions like voting in Diane Feinstein who is pro Defense and pro spying but where she's liberal on many other issues.

    Just stay interested and know what you want out of your government. Less regulation and taxes but gross inequality to the point of seeing your neighbor die penniless? Or more public services with a higher tax load and a muted stock market like it was 40 years ago?

    Beware anyone promising everything, as you'll likely get nothing for the cases that doesn't benefit the rich.
     
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  20. Nook

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    Chris Coons is the ultimate “good guy” in politics.
     
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