Sura didn't get the triple double after all !!! http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-hawks-surastriple-double&prov=ap&type=lgns
You know what? It wasn't a move that deserves a lot of respect. But if you've been a bench player all your life and suddenly you have the change to get three straight triple doubles, wouldn't you be tempted? You just never know. And all this still doesn't take away from the fact that the guy is playing great. Look at his stats, as a guard he is averaging 8+ rebounds a game I think. That said... no I don't think he would be that good on the Rockets but he'd be a great bench player. Like Jon Barry was for the Kings a few years ago.
Sorry, I always make this mistake, not Darrel Armstrong but Anthony Bowie. Rember he called the time out to make the assist at the end of a game against Detroit and Doug Collins wouldn't shake his hand after the game was over.
With Sura and Davis, you're right that they were both unsportsmanlike. You're right that which goal he shot on isn't too important. I'm not arguing that one was worse than the other. I'm saying it is wrong to assume the reaction is different because of race. The reason the reaction is different is because of reputation. Perhaps the Shaq/Francis example is bad (though it was a very narrowly defined simile). How about this: Mark Jackson taking his shot instead of passing the ball to Yao in the low-block is perceived differently than when Steve Francis does it. Francis has a reputation here as a ballhog who can't/won't pass to Yao, so the assumption will be that he didn't pass for his own selfish motivations. Meanwhile, Jackson enjoys a reputation as a smart team-player with good vision and he'll enjoy the benefit of the doubt if he elects to not go to Yao. Likewise, Davis is reputed to be a stat-w**** while Sura has no particular rep at all. You could argue that Davis has his rep because he's black. But, I think he's earned his reputation with his play. After all, Mark Jackson is also black, but has the opposite reputation.
JV I understand your point about Davis's reputation earning him more criticism and I agree with that. But my argument has to do with the overall view of black players in the NBA, not just Davis.
I was being sarcastic. I am crying "reverse discrimination" with as much evidence as Pgab was crying "regular discrimination."
when you miss the playoffs, you will try to find something positive. and for hawks was Sura third triple - double one of season highlights.
this obviously would never have happened if Sura wasn't pressured by his black teammates to pad his stats.
Valdez Why don't you actually watch Ricky Davis play a game before derisively labeling him so. And you Celtic fan, saying he is "trash" is quite unwarranted. Seems to me the real ball hog on that squad is Paul Pierce.
...but seriously, how does a thread about a guy getting a triple double turn into racist tirade-athon? There's something wrong with you crackas.
I thought it was McGrady that called the timeout so he could make the pass to Grant Hill and get his final assist. Doug Collins was so upset that he called his team off the floor and refused to have his team play the final few seconds (which I believe he was later fined for). McGrady got his triple double (his first in his career), and the media made a big deal out of it. That's how I remembered it, anyway.
this is a injury struck supposedly no hoper team (after trading SAR for cap space) with no franchise player that have proven they can win. if they had this lineup at the beginning of the season they'd probably be in the playoffs no prob.
Sura is an average player... he's not a starter on a good team. He has more value coming of the bench because of his versatility. He's a pure combo guard (if there is such a thing), doesn't pass well enough to be considered a true PG and doesn't shoot well enough to be true SG. But he has enough height, skills and athleticism to play either position in spurts, which is what he did for the Pistons before he got traded to the Hawks. Plus he's a pretty good defender. He's like a taller, worse shooting version of Jon Barry.
