who's your most overrated player in the nba & WHY? who's you most underrated & WHY? Most Overrated: TIM DUNCAN "The Golden Child" as i like to call him has been blessed with playing with a Top 50 caliber center since his induction. He's a 7'0" CENTER playing against power forwards. He has NO creativity. Defensively, he's overrated, as well. Rasheed Wallace, KG, Chris Webber, Elton Brand, any other top flight NBA PF has torched Duncan repeatedly. Also, he can float and gamble considering he has a much better defensive player (David Robinson) behind him. Personally, I can't wait to see Dave retire, then Tim will have to play center and we'll see the real Tim Duncan get punked. Unfortunately, Tim will probably be in his prime by then, and should be better equipped for the battle. But make no mistake, his first few years in the league have been “charmed” and overhyped. BTW, anytime you are a 7 footer, in the playoffs, and allow yourself to be rendered ineffective by Robert Horry, you need to check yourself. Horry covered Duncan one-on-one – NO 2X TEAMS – and busted enough 3s on the other end to match Tim’s game. All he did was push Tim away from his favorite 45-degree angle spot and force him to do something different. Without his pet spot (and his pet glass shot) Tim was completely flustered. Great players adjust. Tim didn’t adjust. HONORABLE MENTION: GARY “THE O.J. GLOVE” PAYTON Most Underrated: CUTTINO MOBLEY Dude can’t get any love from his own fans. People slept on Cuttino’s game ever since he was a kid, and they are still sleeping on it now. He’s been called Jack. He’s been called a ball hog. He’s been called a one-trick pony. He’s been called worse than Michael Dickerson. He’s been called nothing more than an average bench player. And that’s just on his own teams’ fan run BBS. Still, he’s bustin 20 per night. Still, he’s the most effective perimeter matchup on the team. Still, he plays the best pick and roll on the team. Still, he has the single most dominant go to move on the team. Still, he’s the best lefty guard in the league. Still, he’s probably the 2nd or 3rd best shooting guard in the Western Conference. He was the Rocket’s MVP this year, IMO. Steve didn’t make great strides the way Cuttino did. Cuttino has had to change almost every year in the NBA. First year, learn to be a point. Second year, learn to be a shooting guard again. Third year, learn the pick and rolls and learn to be THE MAN on offense. Next year, learn to be THE PLAYMAKER, since Steve won’t drive to the middle of the paint, yet. Cuttino has balls just like his game – big, sweaty and fonky. HONORABLE MENTION: ERVIN JOHNSON
No way is Tim Duncan overrated. People are just down on him because of the way the Spurs collapsed in the playoffs. He led his team to an NBA championship, he isn't overrated. Duncan DID adjust, he had ONE bad game in the WCFs. People forget, he is only a 4 year player. He is still growing. The most overrated guy I think might be Tim Hardaway. Broadcaster act like he's still a major superstar. Underrated, definitely Cuttino even Francis. ------------------ "I'm not here to protect my reputation, I'm here to make my reputation! Mama Barkley didn't raise no chumps!" - Charles Barkley [This message has been edited by RocksMillenium (edited June 14, 2001).]
good thread: overated- the guy who comes to my mind right now is KG. I think he is a star, but he gets so much props and hasn't done what it takes to get his team to the next level. Yeah he rebounds and plays good d, but when his team needs points, esp when it counts, he is nowhere to be found. Pass to Sam Mitchell, or Lopez, or Brandon. If KG wants to earn his paycheck he needs to learn how to take over games OFFENSIVELY. underated- Hakeem Olajuwon. A few years removed from his championship years and it seems as if most people outside of Houston have forgotten just how great he was. ------------------ .,.·^*'´'|'\..........,.·^*'´¯¯¯'`*^·,...,/|'`*^·-, '|.......'|::\......,·'.....,.·:*:·,......'`i:'|.......| '|.......'|:::|.....;.......':,:::,:·.......';:|.......| '|.......|::;i - ·;i'`:,......¯¯.......,·´|::|.......| '|.......'´.......'|'i:::`*:~·.–·~^*'´: :'|::|.......'`*·-, '|........,.-:^:':'\:'`:;:: :: : : : :: ::;·'i::/`':^·.,......`'i '|..,.:'´:::::::::::'\| '`*^~·:–:·~^*'´..'|/:::::::::'`:^:., | '´:;:::::::::;:-·^*'´.....................`'*^·:;-.....:;·' ....`·;:·'´........................................'`^·:;·´
I think you're forgetting that Tim carried the Spurs to the title in '99. Last year they couldn't even get past the first round without him. He did, however, have a lackluster effort against the Lakers. But keep in mind this guy was the MVP two years ago. He may have an ugly game, but he averaged like 23 pts and 12 rebs. How many guys can say that? As for Mobley, he will continue to be overlooked until he grows more as a player. Last year was his breakout season, but he is known for making bad decisions and taking ill-advised shots. Overrated: Allan Houston: is this guy really worth $115 million? Matt Geiger- oaf, overpaid Underrated: Antonio McDyess- his fault, shouldn't have signed with the Nugs. Lamar Odom- this guy is the most versatile guy in the NBA Shareef Abdur-Rahim- 20 and 10 guy year in year out Michael Finley- finally getting some recognition ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Overrated: Anyone who is not an NBA player yet who can only do a windmill dunk. And so-called college defensive specialists who are less than 6'8. There are no Rodman's coming out anytime soon. Underrated: Stephon Marbury re: Mobley. Cat is very often guarded by someone with 3-4 inches on him and has to shoot the jumper quicker than Stevie. If Walt would go a year without a shooting slump, Cat might finally be able to feast more on players his own size. Finley and Rasheed used to be my most underrated, but they are getting their deserved kudos now. I'm looking for a new one, and I can't really argue with Mobley...but that just makes me a homey, so I have to say Marbury. Honorable Mention Steve Nash/Van Exel Tracy McGrady if they don't start saying he is better offensively than Kobe pretty damn soon Bonzi Wells Jalen Rose McDyess Raja Bell (j/k who thinks he's another soon-to-be shandn over-heralded bench player) [This message has been edited by heypartner (edited June 14, 2001).]
Cmon man Tim Duncan is not overrated. As a matter of fact I consider him the best all-around player in the league. If he were playing with Steve and Cat, aw man let me wake up. Most Overrated: Allen Iverson Now don't get me wrong he is a superstar, but to me he can't hit that big shot when needed. Sure he takes 50 shots a game and avg 30 points a game but who couldn't do that with that many shots? He can never hit his shots early when they really need them and will hit some great shots when his team is not even in the game and has nothing to lose. He doesnt shoot a great average either in front or behind the 3-point line. I understand he doesnt have much help but he is supposed to make his teammates better as well. Underrated: Cuttino Mobley I will have to agree with verse on this one though. When the CAT first came into the league I could tell he was going to make it. I could also see that he was going to be a star. This man has a much heart as Allen Iverson to me and can get to the rim as effective as AI. He will be an All-Star within the next two years. I kept telling me friends on how good he would be and they would just laugh. They would give him some props but would say something like he is no Vince Carter. In the two games against Toronto this year he lit up Vince. To me, Cuttino means as much to the Rox as Francis. ------------------ Rockets Season Ticket Holder
I like this thread. Most Overrated: Charles Oakley I still cannot believe people are going after this guy this summer. He has a big name, a big mouth, and that's about it. He's supposedly the enforcer, the tough guy on the team. Maybe I'm blind, because I'm sure not seeing it. When Oakley plays, it's like a mistake waiting to happen on offense. He is not a three point shooter, never will be. However, he has recently gotten hooked on that the last two years, and consistently shoots them when given a chance, even though the majority end up being wasted possessions. If you watched the Philadelphia series, the Sixers looked more concerned about getting the rebound when Oakley shot than they did putting a hand in his face. He has no post moves inside, and his jumper isn't much better in the 18 foot range. And he always tries to make the big play. He's always trying to throw that big outlet pass to Carter even though he misses it 3/4 of the time. And even simple passes in the offensive set that could lead to open jump shots he makes mistakes on during several occasions. Defensively, he's not that valuable either. Elite power forwards like Duncan, Webber, Garnett, etc. just dominate the guy inside. He's supposed to be great on the glass, but the majority of rebounds that I see him get almost fall to him. His rebounds aren't the tough, dominating type that his numbers lead you to believe-- rarely anymore do you see him just completely boxing out the offensive player and leaping for the rebound. So what is he good for? Well, getting suspended and starting fights twice with Tyrone Hill over a non-payed bet. Is it like you don't have enough money already? You're in the NBA getting payed millions-- conduct yourself with class and as a role model instead of starting fights over a couple of thousand dollars you know you don't need. He's also good for criticizing his own teammates and team to the papers, which has to bring the team unity and chemistry in the lockerroom down. If he wants to go to the Wizards to be with MJ, the Raptors should say good riddance with Oak. Honorable mention: Shandon Anderson (by some members of this board), Jason Kidd, Kevin Garnett, and Kobe Bryant's defense Most Underrated: Ervin Johnson Yes, Cuttino is underrated too. But not near to the extent that Ervin Johnson is. People call Johnson clumsy, a poor offensive player, and just a below average player in general who makes it because of his height. He's been criticized for one quote about liking coming off the bench. Everyone thinks he is the weak link on the Bucks team. Wrong. As George Karl said after the Hornets series, he might've been the MVP of that team. Defensively, he is a presence. He plays strong 1 on 1 defense against some of the top post players in the game, and does a fairly good job at staying out of foul trouble. He crashes the glass very hard, and it is his rebounding that allows the Bucks to go with the 4 playmakers (Cassell, Allen, Robinson, Thomas) on the floor at once. He also has maintained his excellent shotblocking ability, and is a nice force to have around the basket. Offensively, his game has improved leaps and bounds, yet no one gives him credit. Sure, he isn't going to back people down and beat them with a dazzling array of post moves. But he doesn't need to on the Bucks. The Bucks have such great penetration and playmaking ability that they just need him to nail those 8-15 foot jumpers. If you watched the Philadelphia series, he made those all series long, and by the end of the series he had Mutombo thinking twice about leaving him. Johnson isn't a star. He's a role player. But he knows his role well, and he executes it to the best of his ability. He's not going to get many shots, he gets criticism from fans and the media, and Karl doesn't even start him on a consistent basis. But he has kept on improving his game, even though few have noticed, to where by the playoffs he was a very key piece of the puzzle. It's time to give him credit. Honorable Mention: Cuttino Mobley, Robert Horry, Alvin Williams ------------------ "Basketball players win basketball games. Athletes win track meets."-- Shane Battier Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Love the thread !! I with 4Chuckie on most OverRated, in fact there should be a special category for "Scottie Quitten". Perhaps most Most Overhyped PUNK !! Honorable Mention to Jason Williams. He is second only to Pippen in pouting! Underrated: I think K.G. is not given his due, playing against constant double/triple teams all the time. He can and does usually score at will, and keeps high average on boards and getting better on assists. If he had a true center, he would be even more awesome! I also think Stevie has been underrated, but it's mostly because of his on-court attitude and temper. He is being gradually lumped in with Rasheed as talented but troubled... Honorable mention: Scottie Brooks!! The hope of short white guys everywhere !! ------------------ Our purpose in life is to find our gift, and the meaning of life is to give it away!
Most underrated: Sam "I am" Cassell The guy just can't get his props for being one of the best point guards in the nba. He can score on anybody, has two championship rings and can't get any respect throughout the league. Most overrated: Phil Jackson The guy sucks as a coach. This guy inherits teams with potential hall of famers and then he's praised for the the outstanding coaching jobs. that's bull****. I wonder what kind of coach would he be if coached the Wizards or current Bulls. Also, that triangle offense isn't worth crap either. Jordan made that offense move. all it is is just multiple screens at the top of the key. It's not the offense, but the players. Look what the triangle is doing for the bulls now (nothing at all). Besides, shouldn't Tex Winters get credit for inventing it instead of Phil Jackson? ------------------
How about more overpaid and underpaid: OVERPAID: Greg Ostertag Jim McIlvaine Shawn Kemp Chris Dudley Penny Hardaway Kenny Anderson Matt Geiger Larry Johnson Bryant Reeves Vin Baker UNDERPAID (excl. rookie deals) Cuttino Mobley Jerry Stackhouse Jim Jackson Shaquille O'Neal Rashard Lewis ------------------ "Oh No..." -Bill Walton in 97 just before Stockton's buzzer beater
Overrated: Shareef Abdur-Rahim Yeah, I'd like to have him, but people make him out to be this under-appreciated superstar. It's hard to read an article about Vancouver without some sportswriter yacking about how if SAR played for LA, he'd be lauded as the next MJ. Here's my take: if he were THAT good, Vancouver would have won more games. Yeah yeah yeah... supporting caste. But Hakeem won with a bunch of roleplayers... is it too much to ask him to win, say, 30 games? And with Bibby, Dickerson, and (for a while) Harrington, it's not like he was the lone ranger. Underrated: Paul Pierce. I see a lot of Celtics games, and this guy's the reason they were close to the playoffs. Screw Walker... he has #'s, but hurts the team with his selfishness, bad shots, and attitude as much as he helps. Pierce is the full package: defense, scoring, good shot, can drive, hustles... everything. I'd love to have him play for Houston, and then try some small-ball (yeah, I know, won't happen). ------------------ Lacking inspiration at the moment...
funny how some people pop up on both lists Shareef Abdur Rahim dude is called "the best player no one has ever heard of" so much, that everyone has heard of him now! Eddie Jones i think that depends on what you expect from him. eddie never was, and never will be THE MAN. to me, eddie jones is a rich man's shandn andersn. if you need a complementary scorer/defender/lockerroom guy, eddie's your man. however, if you need a leader to take you to the promise land, eddie's not gonna be it. Kevin Garnett no question in my mind that KG has the 2nd most talent at the PF position (next to rasheed) in the league. however, kg defers entirely too much to his teammates. ALL TIME LIST: OVERRATED: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar UNDERRATED: Lew Alcindor HONORABLE MENTION ON UNDERRATED: Bill Walton kareem, as he aged, became a one-trick pony. it was a hell of a trick (sky hook), but one trick nonetheless. in his younger days, lew was a force.
Ervin Johnson is no big deal. Just because Bill Walton gushed over him in this year's playoffs doesn't mean he's all that and a bag of chips. As far as underrated players go, I think Jamal Mashburn is a pretty good candidate. The most overrated player of all time is probably Scottie Pippen. The most overrated today would have to be Vince Carter (I'm Canadian and have watched a lot of Raptor games this year). ------------------ All hail Fadeaway's Cyberfish -- your 2000-2001 BobFinn* Fantasy Basketball League Champions!
Currently Underated: Sam Cassell-He should be on every persons top 5 PG list but is still left off! Steve Francis-Yeah Steve Francis,as long as he isnt mentioned among the top 5 players in the league I will think he is underated! Antawn Jamison-This guy can do alot and is never mentioned besides his back too back 50pt games. Rashard Lewis-Is there anything he cant do? Currently Overated: Allen Iverson-Not that I dont like him or that hes not a Bad @ss player but he is getting WAY too much reconition right now.He is the most dominate guard and sometimes player in the league but he is sometimes out of control! All Time: Underated-Dream Overated-Larry Bird ------------------ Sam Clancy...Sam Clancy...Sam Clancy...Sam Clancy...Sam Clancy
Overrated: Jerry Stackhouse Kelvin Cato (simply calling him a basketball player makes him overrated) Reggie Miller Allen Iverson--before you ALL kill me for this, I'm not saying he's BAD by any stretch...I just think there are several players you could plug into that particular system that could do what he does, if not more Pippen--no explanation necessary. Jason Williams Underrated: Jason Terry Jamal Mashburn Lamond Murray Antawn Jamison Cuttino Mobley Jalen Rose Sam Cassell Eric Snow Stephon Marbury Peja Stojakovic That's all for now...I'll think of more later. ------------------ Jazzkiller
Most overrated: 1.Jerry Stackhouse. Maybe one of the most overated of all time 2. Jason Williams. Most underrated: 1. Steve Nash ------------------
How is Steve Nash underrated? For one, he didn't deserve to make the allstar team, so don't try using that angle, and he's living in a point guard's paradise with all the offensive weapons on the Mavs. Keep in mind he got a fat contract back when he probably didn't deserve it, and yes I know he has been injured often the past 2 years. He did average less than 7 assists a game I believe, and no matter how much you want to argue that if you watch him you'll see what a good passer he is(interior,fastbreak), the number speaks for itself. Please don't respond with "He's the one making the pass tha will lead to the assists" because that's not the Mav's offense. That could be attributed to Cat's low assists numbers, but not Steve Nash's. ------------------ "Modern bourgeois society with its relations of production, of exchange and property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorceror, who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells."
Overrated Peja Stojakovic Damon Stoudamire Allan Houston Mark Jackson Dikembe Mutombo Derek Anderson Kobe Bryant Jerry Stackhouse Rashard Lewis Underrated The entire Rockets team(except Kelvin Cato) Terrell Brandon Andre Miller Shaquille O'Neal Michael Finley Bonzi Wells. Antonio McDyess. ------------------ "I always thought it was something that went around my house" - World B. Free on Defence [This message has been edited by Puedlfor (edited June 14, 2001).]
It's only a wrong forum vilation if you don't mention a Rockets player, so so of these post are wrong forum, some not. Underrated, I think it's a tie between Cuttino and Steve. How about Steve getting left off Team USA because they felt he is not a team player? Obviously none of them watched any game tape. Overrated, Pippen (as mentioned) has never proven he belongs on the Top 50 list. Jordan was so good he got himself on the list twice, once under his own name and once under an alias. Iverson gets honorable mention for me. How about an MVP who won't pass the ball? Sure he's averaging 32 points per game, but he's shooting, what, 36% from the field? If you give me 40 shots, I can score 30 points, too. People said Clyde had questionable shot selection, but Iverson makes Clyde look timid. TRG ------------------ <A HREF="http://www.TheRocketGuy.com " TARGET=_blank>http://www.TheRocketGuy.com </A> "You try to improve and do better. It's a journey, not just the destination." - Hakeem Olajuwon
