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Rockets running out of time: They must trade the Big 3!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Hottoddie, Apr 12, 2004.

  1. Hottoddie

    Hottoddie Member

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    The big 3 salaries (Francis, Taylor, Cato), that is. :D

    Yes, it's true that we've made the playoffs for the first time in 5 years, but I truely expect us to go 4 & out. If we play Sacramento, San Antonio, or the Lakers, it could be a real ugly early exit. We're good enough to just get into the playoffs, but so are over half (16) of the 29 NBA teams. The difference being, we don't have the talent to get past the first round.

    That's why I believe that we have to choose whom we're going to build this team around & clear as much salary cap space as we can. I believe that Yao is our future, as do many others on this board. So, I'm going to throw out an idea, that will most assuredly piss off the Francis lovers, but put us in a much better financial position, surround Yao with some solid talent, & leave us with enough cap space to pursue a top tier FA that compliments Yao's game, or some additional role players that'll give us good quality depth at every position.

    Before I start, I'd like to repeat what I've said in some other threads. Francis is a super talent & will someday be the Superstar that he's destined to be. The problem right now is, he's being forced to play in a system that doesn't utilize his main strength. That strength is the ability to beat anyone off the dribble, drive to the hole for the dunk, & draw fouls. He's an average, at best, shooter. With Yao clogging the middle, more than half of Francis's arsenal has been neutralized. For Yao to be fully effective, he has to be under the basket. Thus, one of them has to go & 7'5" 300 lb. centers with a soft shooting touch, good hands, great court vision, & solid passing skills don't come along very often. Bye bye Francis.

    Now, the reason I stated we're running out of time, is that Yao's rookie contract will be ending in 2 years, or, after the 05/06 season. At that time, he will most assuredly get a max contract. With Francis & Yao max'd out, we'd have very little wriggle room & that combo doesn't make me think of Kobe/Shaq. While Yao's still got a ways to go, I've seen enough improvement from him in just his second year to believe that he's the one I want to build my team around. So, I'm looking to get some young talent to grow around Yao & contracts that expire after next year in this trade. While I want fair value for Francis, I'm not going to let that be the guiding force.

    Houston sends Taylor/(future #1 pick?) to Seattle.
    Seattle sends Antonio Daniels/Jerome James to Houston.

    Houston sends Cato/Nachbar to Memphis.
    Memphis sends Battier/Outlaw to Houston.

    Houston sends Francis to Chicago.
    Chicago sends Hinrich/Chandler/Pippen to Houston.


    I hope you take the time to read the rest of this explaination before you start ripping the trade apart, but just in case, Pippen will never step foot in Houston!!! He'll be released immediately.

    Anyway, this trade is actually 3 different trades rolled into one. I just combined them to see if it would work. It does.:D

    The Seattle Times

    According to this article, Seattle is looking for a bigger PF to replace Evans & school Collison. Taylor is a solid shooter, adequate rebounder, & can play some minutes at the center position. In this deal, Seattle moves a center that they're no longer enamored with & give up their backup PG to get a player they once wanted very badly. If I have to, I'll give them a future #1 pick to take Taylor. James's contract expires after next year.

    Memphis gets a solid defensive center in Cato & a very athletic SF in Nachbar, in exchange for 2 bench players. Now, while I may call Battier & Outlaw bench players, they are also a very integral part of Memphis's rotation. However, the addition of an athletic big man like Cato & Nachbar's potential/hustle to replace Battier, Jerry West should be tempted to do this deal. Outlaw's contract expires after next year.

    Chicago would finally get their first marquee player since Jordan left. Teaming Francis with Crawford, Curry, Pargo, DuPree, & Johnson would make a team that can get up & down the floor in a hurry. Add to that, the no worse than 6th lottery pick & possibly #1 overall, & that'd be a pretty exciting young team with Francis leading them. Pippen's contract expires after next year.

    By doing these trades, Houston moves our 3 biggest contracts, picks up some solid young talent, & gains cap flexibility. I'd like to keep Cato & Taylor, but their contracts are just too big for backup players. I know Cato is our starting PF, but he's too limited offensively & we need to improve on that. I'm not sure if Chandler is the answer, but because he's so young, we should be able to trade him away, if he doesn't work out.

    Our current projected team salary for the 05/06 season is $48,703,000. With James, Outlaw, & Pippen's contracts expiring after next year, we will drop to about $34,605,000. This year's NBA salary cap is $43,840,000. If we assume that the cap will go up in the next 2 years, that should put us about $10 million under the cap (not counting rookies), with Yao, Mobley (unless he opt's out of his contract), Jackson, Spoon, Piatkowski, Chandler, Battier, Hinrich, & Daniels under contract. Hopefully, CD can convince Mobley to wait one more year for his big payday.

    Our lineup next year will be:

    C: Yao/James
    PF: Chandler/Spoon/Padgett
    SF: Battier/JJ/Outlaw
    SG: Mobley/Piatkowski/Griffin(IL)
    PG: Hinrich/Daniels


    James, Pippen, & Outlaw's contracts would either be off the books, or they'd be resigned (not Pippen) for a lot less at the end of the year. Which, might mean we'd have to find a backup center & some depth with $10 million at our disposal. The next year we max out Yao & resign Mobley to a new contract & start racking up the Championships. :D Okay, rip away.

    P.S. The list of FA's at that time will be very impressive & will include our own Battier & Chandler (Their qualifying offers were included in the $34,605,000 team salary). With $10 million ($20.55 million, if you don't include Chandler & Battier's qualifying offers), we could make a push for some RFA's or sign & trades.

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  2. Rule0001

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    if I had a nickel for every trade thread.... *fades off*

    :)
     
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    I would rather see Les take the Mark Cuban approach, than the Atlanta/Phoenix approach. There will probably be no luxury tax next season. So let's spend away! With the trade exception of approx. $7 million, maybe we can pick up a slightly overpaid, but impact player this summer, by taking back more salary than we send. For example - Chris Webber?

    I would prefer if we add to this nucleus, instead of shaking it up. We are just one slightly overpaid stud away from contending. So open up the pocketbooks, Les!
     
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    Why do you feel this way? Is it because it requires you to read? Did you even read it? Were you able to comprehend what was being said? For that matter, can you read? Or, are you just an idiot that likes to post stupid responses?

    Sorry about that everyone. Sometimes I have to vent at the morons that feel it's necessary to drive their post counts up when they have nothing to contribute.
     
  6. uac

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    So what did you contribute? Bunch of trade threads?

    :confused:
     
  7. Hottoddie

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    I don't pop into threads & post smart *ss comments. If it doesn't interest me, I move on. It's not like the title was deceptive or anything. If posters don't like trade threads, then why do they waste their time posting in them?

    Yes, to your question. I enjoy posting trade threads & I put a lot of thought (albeit, sometimes misguided thought) & time into them. That's the extent of my contributions to this site. So, as a result, I sometimes take offense to the child like behaviour of some posters & in return, I act like a child right back at them.
     
  8. aelliott

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    but I truely expect us to go 3 & out

    You do realize that the first round series are best of 7?
     
  9. Hottoddie

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    After posting that I meant to go back & check. Crap, I forgot. I'll go back & fix it now. Thanks.
     
  10. CriscoKidd

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    Nice stuff Hottie. I'm usually a detractor in your threads, but I like the makeup of the team after those deals, contingent on Chandler actually being healthy though.

    I would probly put Outlaw as the backup pf, move JJ to the starting 2, and have Mobes come off the bench.

    But even though the deals are fairly well reasoned, I wont hold my breath on any one of them happening. :)
     
  11. kubli9

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    The only trade I'd consider is the one with Seattle, Antonio Daniels would be a good fit for us. All the Rockets really need to add in the offseason is a big PG that can play 25 minutes a night and another rebounding/defensive PF. I hope the Rockets take a look at players like Daniels, Brent Barry and Bobby Sura so unloading players like Nachbar, Piatkowski, Spoon, or Adrian Griffin this offseason become a priority.
     
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    I like it. A couple of issues though. I think the Bulls would want us to take Eddie Robinson in place of Pippen (ERobs contract expires in '06, I think). That actually isn't to bad, because he could actually play as a backup SF for us. There are also concerns about Chandler's back, so we could alternatively look at trading Steve to the GSW for Murphy, Dunleavy, and A. Johnson or Adonal Foyle.
     
  13. Hottoddie

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    Thanks.

    I agree about JJ & even thought about putting him as the starting SG. JJ, Battier, Chandler (if healthy), & Yao would give us a nice balance of offense & defense.

    And yes, none of these trades will ever actually happen. If they did, the Rockets would have to fire CD & put me in charge. I wonder what the job pays? :D

    It's all in good fun & only meant to make you wonder, "What if?".
     
  14. Hottoddie

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    If I had to take ERob, then the deal's off. It would completely defeat the plan of picking up young talent & gaining valuable cap space.

    Again, the GSW deal would defeat the plan of gaining cap space. AJ & Foyle would have to be signed & traded & I don't believe the CBA will allow you to sign a player to a one year contract & then turn around & trade him. While Murphy would be nice, Dunleavy would be redundant with Battier on board.
     
  15. SamFisher

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    I'm sorry, I didn't know you could run out of time when the trade deadline had already expired.

    Couldn't you put this in one of the other 10 trade threads? We have a playoff series coming up.

    Oh, and yes, I didn't have to click on it. But I did.
     
  16. JayZ750

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    Hottodie's threads are always awesome. His trade ideas aren't always equitable, but do always involve a lot of thought on his end, which is appreciated by some.

    I like the deals, though I don't see Battier starting over JJ.

    Still don't see anythign like this happening, though. I think the Rockets try and move Francis for something "BIG" - motto jokes aside.

    "BIG" being former or current all-star, not former or current rookie team participant.

    The only contract that really worries me is Taylor's. He is way way overpaid, whereas Cato is only way overpaid and Francis is only very slighty overpaid.
     
  17. gucci888

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    Chicago IS NOT going to trade Hinrich, period. They have made it clear that they are going to build around Hinrich and Curry, so stop all the Hinrich trades.

    Now I posted in another thread about Seattle wanting either Chandler or Kwame Brown, and are willing to part with R. Lewis to do so.
     
  18. gucci888

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    "The Sonics will surely contact Chicago to inquire about Tyson Chandler and Washington to gauge how strongly the Wizards are enamored with Kwame Brown.

    Assuming Ray Allen, Seattle's leading scorer and lone All-Star, is untouchable, then Lewis is the top bargaining chip. "


    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/sports/2001901112_soni12.html
     
  19. RocketFan007

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    Hinrich and Chandler isn't enough for Francis. As much as I like Hinrich, I want no part of a 20 year old with chronic back problems. Even since he's returned from the IL he's played 22 minutes a night for the Bulls, no thanks. If you can't play major minutes for the Bulls after being a number 2 overall pick, you're a big time bust.
     
  20. thumbs

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    Interesting.

    IMO, the first trade works well for both teams, although I'd want a 2nd rounder from Seattle to sweeten the deal. Seattle fans really want to get rid of Jerome James, who is not a healthy locker room presence like Mo Taylor (Yes, Mo has been caught toking a little weed, but he is a "happy high" kind of guy):D whereas Jerome James is a sulker. Antonio Daniels is a good player, but like Jim Jackson, he has just never found a home. Maybe he could in Houston.

    As for trade #2, I'd definitely want more for Cato and Nachbar than just Battier and a long-in-the-tooth Outlaw. I would like to keep Nachbar one more year. He shows a lot of promise and could well be a player. There is no doubt Battier would fit well into the JVG system, but if trading Cato to Memphis (and let me go on record as prefering to keep Cato unless we get a really key piece for the team) I'd rather see us get Stromile Swift and Battier, although that doesn't work salary-wise.

    As for trade #3, Chicago would probably not want Francis. He is not a player that Skiles or Paxson like. Also, I doubt they would give up Hinrich, the player that is key to the deal. Skiles likes his backcourt, and he is not really happy with Chandler and his bad back. If they would consider giving up Hinrich (or a re-signed Crawford), Chandler and Eddie Robinson -- not Pippen -- I'd be happy. I might even consider Chandler, Robinson and Shaun Livingston if they drafted him.

    However, as I have mentioned in other threads, depending on the draft order, we would get the most trade value sending SF3 to Washington. Also, I don't think I need to add that I always enjoy your trade proposals.
     
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