Why I proposed this is, right now Yao’s trade value at the end of the season will be at the highest level in terms of risk to the Rox than at anytime in the future i.e., getting the greatest number and quality of players for him without getting burned on a max contract for Yao or risking a season of 1) Yao not living up to his potential of 20 and 10 in year 3 which would obviously kill his trade value and 2) injury (no explanation warranted), and 3) Yao’s development in the NBA will greatly improve being out of the shadow of Hakeem and Sf3 and 4) Houston going back to traditional WC offence with a lot more depth. Benefits of Trading Yao Now – this off season. 1) Remember everyone in the NBA has already attached this stigma on him that he is a mentally weak player, lacks aggression in going deep and stays away from physical contact. If he does not achieve a minimum 20 and 10 season in year 3 given that the excuses are removed (we get a quality PG who can give him the ball consistently without turning it over) his stock in the NBA will drop like a stone and by that time if the Rox would consider a trade they won’t get anything in return equivalent to what they will get this off season. After season 2 Yao has averaged 4 point game improvement than his rookie year and has substantiated himself that he could play at a equal or higher level to the best centers in the WC which consequently has raised his stock considerably mainly by matching against the so called best players of WC conference than anything else. But his play of the last 3 weeks has deteroited to the point that Houston may not be able to afford going an entire year 3 with Yao still at 17 and 9 taking into consideration his trading potential now (off season) juxtaposed to what it will be at end of year 3. A season of MINIMUM of 20 and 10 and many believe something much higher is absolutely an expectation for Ming in season 3. Anything less (barring injury) would be a huge disappointment to fans let alone his trade value. That’s why this off season is the trade deadline for Ming to get the most out of the trade for the Rox. 2) There’s a lot of talk on this forum that SF3 doesn’t fit in Houston but has anybody asked does Yao fit in Houston? Houston centers in the past that Yao has always being compared to is Hakeem who the majority have already claimed to be more greater, more athletic, agile and faster than Yao. Houston in the past along (when Sf3 was the undisputed franchise player) with the majority of WC teams now, are run and gun teams, Sacramento, Dallas, San Antonio, Minny etc., where Houston now (because of Yao’s style or lack of) having to do a 180 degree turn to accommodate their slower low post center. Trading Yao with the players that Houston can get for him would allow the Rox to go back to their traditional ways with more weapons and depth for that type of offense to work consistently. Something along the lines of Dallas or Minny where starting players are not played to death because other members on the squad can more than handle themselves off the bench. Even with Yao on the team Houston absolutely has no depth, the reason why they are so inconsistent all season and the collapse of play at the end is that the starters have to play the majority of the game to even have a shot at winning coupled by the fact of JVG’s defensive doctrine, the starters get worn out game after game -look at the season ending games the defense practically disappeared. 3) And finally let’s face it, this will always be SF3 team, no matter if he plays for Houston or whether he gets traded. Why? Like this forum there is the entrenchment of two views in the Rox team, those that support Yao as the leader or SF3. The core group Cat, Cato, Mo have all been led when SF3 was there than Yao having only nachbar. The other players are either neutral or leaning one way or other. Even if Sf3 gets traded, if the Rox do not perform as to peoples expectation (whatever they may be) next year he will get dogged on why they had to trade SF3 away. Playing under the ghost of Hakeem and Sf3 would be too bitter a pill than to play for a team that has sets its mind as to who the franchise player is and build the team around accordingly. There’s too much loveloss with Sf3 being in Houston for 5 years now than Yao. Yao only 2 yrs can be easily forgotten, there isn’t the emotional attachment of trading Ming now than Sf3. The Benefits of Yao being traded: 1) If traded to Chicago, for the 1st rounder and some supporting cast as many have suggested, (preferably I like New York) Yao will be in the East where he will be able to quickly accelerate his development. His biggest games of the year highest points (41 and 37 against Atlanta and Orlando respectively and 20 -20 vs Detroit) have all been against the East, which will only get better by playing for an EC team. He played some great games against WC teams but in terms of development having to play the prolific number of games in the WC where practically every team has major depth and talent, like to run the ball intensifying Yao’s weakness (slowness) Yao has shown repeatly he cannot sustain the intensity of 82 game schedule of high level play, playing exclusively in the WC. Having gained the very important experience of WC ball for 2 years, Yao against inferior Eastern conference teams, will have more energy and stamina to develop consistency in his play and also being the so called undisputed “Franchise Player” will have more than enough opportunities to make the mistakes that he would have to make to reach the next level. Moreover being the undisputed player either for NY or Chic there wouldn’t be any second thoughts of passing the ball to him or getting enough touches, whether it be Houston fans, announcers or Roc coaches having to b**** and whine for the team to get him some rocks. Nuff said. He will kill the East. There are other things that benefit Ming, the question of larger market more fame and money, larger Asian community is easily understood in NY, Chic or even in lowly GSW ( a WC team I know) but they will have a sellout every game whether or not Yao dominates like Shaq or not. Houston crowds are so small (why?) (even with 2 so called all-stars on the team and let’s say the opposite of loud. I would like to see him LA but I do not have delusions that LA will give up neither Kobe nor Shaq now (barring injury) for Yao now. They will wait and see if He becomes a MDE before they will make any move. So a trade at the end of this season or near the beginning of next season would but be a win win for both sides. Houston can get a lot more players by trading Yao Now than they would SF3 this off season and add a lot of depth to their lineup that they sorely lack even with Yao, and Yao will play and lead (or learn to lead a team) a team without the ghosts of Hakeem and Sf3 barking at his rear.. Come on Houston make the better move, it’s clearly the better choice and makes more sense.
Guys this is what drugs and drinking can do to your minds. This is the most r****ded thread ever in the history of the world. You should be banned for life. You should not even be able to walk right now. If u had any sense at all, you would just say that you were drunk and had no idea of what happened when you wrote this dumb thread. Get outta here you - - - hole.
YOF ... interesting how you try to turn what you think is best for Yao into a favor for Houston. You use behind the back insults at the Rockets and their fans at every turn, couched in "what's best for Houston." We are not deceived by your sarcasm. It took us 5 years to come to this point with Steve, and a big reason we did, was because of Yao's intelligence, which revealed Steve's lack, therefore some of us want "better fitting parts." I don't anticipate us getting someone better than Yao next year, so I think this is a mute point. This is not disloyalty, but a desire to have a team which will achieve a championship again. I don't like those who make panic posts, either, but its unfair when you are reading this BBS to put us all in that category, and suggest a path that would hurt the fans of this team, who have come to love Yao. I would call you out on each specific count, but I'd rather just let this thread die ... and hope it does. I find your logic absurd.
There should be an option to ban posters, if they start a stupid thread and it gets enough votes no new threads for a month.
Is it a crime to be a YOF and think what is best for a player that he is a fan of (where he should be for the mutual benefit of the team) as compared to SOF and defend him that he should not be traded. I think not or is it a crime to have an opinion here contrary to the flow of things? having Sf3 who has established himself in houston with players that u can get for Ming can provide the depth for Sf3 to excel his game than a center than opposes it. In a trade u get something for something, which in these days of talking trade you'll get something more from trading Yao than Sf3, in the short run or long run and Ming will benefit from it by getting out of the shadow of Steve's team and Hakeem's team.
You see patlabor, this is the exact reason that the YOF tag was invented. Face it, you just would prefer Yao to be in a big market, chinese heavy city so he can be more appreciated or something. You don't care about the name on the front of the jersey, just the back. That's prefectly fine, and you have the right to feel whatever you want. But don't come posting that it would be a grand gesture to "take Yao off your hands", as if it would be some huge favor. That's just insulting to people's intelligence. I mean this is still a rocket board, and as the saying goes "When in Rome, try not to piss off the Romans".
Good suggestion, though my main motif is based on a team that has Yao ming, last time I checked The Bulls don't have a 7'6 dude to trade.
No in fact I wouldn't want him to be traded to TO, I Live in TO, we just fired our GM and end of the year, coach will be gone too, VC may be traded as well. ' No Yao in TO he will be a loser here, though the chinese community here will throw him a bloody parade like they almost did when Bateer was acquired.
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Neither, I wish were, but not! I am not a good negotiator at all! All I try to do is try to express my view in a logical balanced manner, this trade is much more logical and mutually beneficial for both parties concerned. 1) Yao's trade value this off season is much higher than Sf3 will drop like a rock if he doesn't hit MIN 20 and 10 nxt season coupled with the tatoo label of a meek player. Its won't look good for houston if he is another 18 and 9 nxt season. 2) Less withdrawal pain from trading Yao ( 20 plus ?) than Sf3 (5 yrs prven 20 > guy. 3) trading Yao houston adds much more depth to their roster then trading Sf3 which would in the mosy optimistic light will only get u an equivalent player straight up) Seems logical to me, No?
patlabor1, your concern is understandable. But believe me Yao is going to be great in the years to come. He is only 23 years old and 7'6 with skills. With proper training, his upper body strength and stamina will improve. Plus he is just learning the game and as long as we keep the team together, one day he can run the play with his eyes closed. Just enjoy the game and enjoy his progress. Cheers.
