I don't think a full out civil war will happen in America because it's going to take some splinter terrorist group uprising for that to happen and I think it would be quelled by the FBI-CIA before it even got that far...but yeah, something major is brewing. I could see politicians getting killed, a lot more mass shootings, states aggressively trying to secede... Basically, the world is changing. Automation, Climate Change, these things are forcing the world to change. It's making some countries try to force things back to 'The Good Ol' days and it's forcing some to try to embrace the new.
Any competitive civil war will actually end up being a world war because of the power of the US military. If the Republican party & Trump are successful in subverting Democracy & the majority of Americans along with those left with any power in the Democratic party would only have success with the intervention of NATO former allies, Australia, and especially Canada, Mexico, and Central & South American countries that can cripple America through trade interventions. Much of those countries would have to intervene on behalf of American citizens to overthrow Trump & the Republicans through economics, violence, or both. There's just no real conceivable way that people like me & you could all form together any type of operation that can compete with the United States Military and especially with the NSA/CIA capabilities that George W. Bush setup after 9/11 that would devastate any organization by the people through surveillance. So no I think talk of the civil war is kind of silly. It's a fever dream of the right because they are the ones who are so insecure they feel like they need to stockpile on guns from Cabellas & the Gun Show & it's just been sitting in their closet for too long, and the idea of the power they might or might not have with violence has infected their brains. If there was an effective "Civil War" the most effective form would be if Amazon, Wal Mart, Microsoft, Apple, etc. all banned together and threatened to abandon the United States & shut down our economy overnight & move to Asia or Europe if Trump does not leave office. Even then, Trump & the Republicans, and soon to be "his judges" probably don't really care about economic devastation as long as they are rich & stay in power so not even really sure that would be effective. In the end regardless of how a "Civil War" happens, we the people will suffer. The stakes for this election could not be any higher.
Get your passport. Look into the logistics of a visa and citizenship outside the USA. I have it set up to get work visas and the path to citizenship in several Western countries if necessary to leave. I have established contacts in Ireland.
1000% agree. I always laugh when people on the right say "The side with the most guns would win." As if 'civil-war' would break out to people just leaving their house and fighting in the streets. As if the rest of the world would not intervene like how the US-Russia intervene in conflicts. You'd 100% have countries like Russia trying to help Trump's side and Germany trying to help the liberal side and Canada and Mexico would 100% get involved. And exactly, that's why I don't think a terrorist group could ever rise up and grow to the size for it to be an actual civil-war. If I were to plan on making some splinter group (Hello government agent, I'm not) the US Government would know about it, it would never get far. Not with how much we rely on communication through the internet and how the US government has tapped into it all. So yeah, I don't see that whole left vs right civil war as even a possibility. It would definitely turn into a world event.The USA is too large of a country with too much global influence for it to have some contained civil war that nobody cares about like in many 3rd world countries. As for WW3, that's far more likely at this point than the civil war that people think will happen. In fact I wouldn't be surprised at this point if it started within the next decade. I think the world is just changing, thanks to technology, and usually these big events are thanks to technology and the world having to deal with it. Climate Change is just going to make things worse...
Lmao, I heard it all! Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Samoa, and DC becoming states or the packing of 69 judges or killing the electoral college system and taking a poop on the constitution... civil war lollygagging (which I’m very against tbh- surprise) this is too much . The liberals are entertaining me more than the Houston Texans And Rockets combined these days If you foaming at the mouth libs think the liberal- progressive paradise is so great move to California or Canada or Australia...see if they will take you in and gtfo. We should find ways to get along but maybe we reached a point where we simply cannot ideological get along because republicans cling to God, liberty and the constitution and capitalism and the other side embraces Marxist liberal Fake utopia and hates the U.S....where can we find common ground when we are the worst of enemies and treat each other as such?
It'll sound crazy, but it's not the worst thing in the world to be prepared for. The reason more than anything is what I mentioned prior in the fact that America is SERIOUSLY compromised economically. We are smacked in between two countries that could shut the US off from trade overnight if lets say Trump in 2022 goes too far, gets kicked of out NATO & the rest of the world views the US as a threat to world war. What that means for me & you is economic suffering. We have to think about our family first, and putting food on the table. If I can get a job in lets say Singapore (probably the most likely location I could easily get a good job in my field), why would I stay here if we were about to get snuffed out economically?? This is why I don't really understand why our "friends" here are so in love with allowing Trump to become an autocrat. Who in their right mind thinks that's a great idea for them personally? Just because we have nukes does not mean the rest of the world cannot put us in our place, and the regular average American would be the ones who suffer through that nightmare.
This is my general observation and not just reflective Of above posts...I apologize for going against the protocol
The U.S. military would have its own civil war, I don't know why you think they would side with Republicans? It probably would shake out along educational lines like everything else. I think this doom and gloom is getting out of hand.
If I take your post at face value I basically read it as. "ACCEPT CONSERVATIVE RULE OR GTFO!" all while saying "Why can't we all just get along?" As for the whole civil war thing if you read the above posts you'd see they were not encouraging civil war at all as we were simply saying we don't think civil war will happen.
Yep. If Trump wins in November ESPECIALLY in an unfair way (ala Bush v Gore through the supreme court), I'm especially going to be paying attention to how we first see NATO & China act. I would predict the US leaving or getting kicked out of NATO along with Turkey & Russia, Turkey, the US, SA ,& UAE forming some sort of alliance. That alliance causes the rest of the world to freak out, and the European Democracies banding together quickly courting Canada, Mexico, Panama, and as many Central/South American countries as they can to control trade. (people laugh at Canada, but IMO, I see them as one of the more powerful countries in the next generation given their global location, and with their resources heading into the climate crisis of the next 50 years or so) This is basically a world war 1 type of scenario all over again where you instead replace the Arch Bishop getting assassinated with Trump stealing the election & the courts of the US. What type of "War" comes out of that is anyone's guess.... could be just cyber... could be just a cold war with trade & economics being the weapons used (probably most likely)... or could get violent. The two biggest wildcards in the fallout would be whatever China does, and whatever the big American corporations decide to do... neither give me much hope.
I don't think it's doom & gloom necessarily if you actually logically think about what's likely to happen. The US getting kicked out or leaving NATO is likely or unlikely to happen if Trump stays in power?? Do you not think that'll have a major shakeup in global alliances? Shakeups in global alliances are always a threat to World War... cold or hot. (I AM CLEAR I DON'T THINK CIVIL WAR IS LIKELY W/DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TO SCALE) Like this isn't that unreasonable. Trump winning re-election has MASSIVE consequences.
What part? Do you think NATO disbands and it's just ho hum? Life as normal in Europe? You don't think for a second that alliances will shift? This is "Just WOW" but paramilitary right wing nutcases taking to the streets ready for a hot civil war here domestically is just ho hum? So the right is allowed to talk about Civil war here and get all hot and heavy dreaming out it, but when a Democrat talks about the ramifications of global alliances that's just " A LOT"??
Where in your delusional world makes you think Trump: a) cares about the constitution b) cares about god c) cares about liberty?
Yeah, a lot of people think it can't happen, that things won't get this bad, but I feel like people are really ignoring a lot of things going on in this country and around the world. Putin is making a huge power grab and has been trying to destroy NATO and other alliances entirely. For some Democrats that think Trump is a compromised Putin puppet and then to not think that if he wins nothing major would change confuses me. I think people really underrate Putin, he has grand goals and designs for the world and Russia, he's been pushing the world towards a major conflict for some time now. If Trump wins, controls the Senate, I could see that scenario very well playing out. Trump makes some statement that it's time for the USA to start fighting for itself, stop paying for NATO, and his Senators backed by a new 'mandate' go along with it. That's it, the world will react. In fact, this is already playing out... https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-withdraw-from-nato-in-second-term-diplomats-worry-2020-9 That's going to send shockwaves through the international community and as for Trump allying with Turkey/Russia/SA...yep. China is a huge wildcard, I could see them sitting back and seeing where things fall before they get too involved...but corporations would pull more away from America and of course this coupled with the fact that the poor get pooer in this country and things just would not be well here. This isn't even getting into Trump on several occasions talking about 3 terms, the attack on voting rights that will happen thanks to a 6-3 court, and just the general Fascist transformation to turn America into a one party government.
The difference between tweets from your Presidential candidates as we passed 200,000 deaths says a lot about them. One cares about people. One doesn't even mention the lives lost. We can do better with Biden! Vote out Trump.
I don't think getting kicked out or leaving Nato is on the table at all there is just too much money at stake for republicans. I also don't think alliances are necessarily at stake all republicans are not in the tank for russia. Yeah i think you are way dooming and glooming if Trump gets 4 more years, i actually think the republicans would turn on him before all of this other stuff happens if they can get Pence in charge.
I don't think Nato disbands its in nobodies economical interest except Russias. Who are we gonna sell arms to? This is not about who can talk about civil war i would be just wow with anybody talking about this.
