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If public thinks recycling is working...they’re not going to be as concerned about the environment

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  1. Invisible Fan

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    Someone's trash is everyone's trash...

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/...ry-insiders-reveal-the-truth-about-recycling/

    It was the late 1980s, and the plastics industry was under fire.

    Facing heightened public concern about ever-increasing amounts of garbage, the image of plastics was falling dramatically. State and local officials across the country were considering banning some kinds of plastics in an effort to reduce waste and pollution.

    But the industry had a plan; a way to fend off plastic bans and keep its sales growing.

    It would publicly promote recycling as the solution to the waste crisis — despite internal industry doubts, from almost the beginning, that widespread plastic recycling could ever be economically viable.

    The strategy — and doubts — are revealed in Plastic Wars, an upcoming investigative documentary from FRONTLINE and NPR.

    In the documentary, three top executives who represented the plastics industry in that pivotal era speak publicly for the first time, shedding new light on the industry’s efforts to overcome growing concern about plastic waste by pushing recycling.

    “There was never an enthusiastic belief that recycling was ultimately going to work in a significant way,” Lewis Freeman, former VP of government affairs for what was then the industry’s chief lobbying group, the Society of the Plastics Industry, tells FRONTLINE and NPR in Plastic Wars.

    The industry promoted recycling heavily anyway, counting on a simple strategy: “If the public thinks the recycling is working, then they’re not going to be as concerned about the environment,” says Larry Thomas, who formerly headed the SPI.

    In the below excerpt from Plastic Wars, Ronald Liesemer, a former DuPont manager, describes being tapped to execute the industry’s recycling push — and how by demonstrating a commitment to recycling, the industry was able to successfully pre-empt nascent plastic bans:



    But as Thomas, the former SPI head, tells FRONTLINE and NPR, the major plastic makers knew that there wasn’t enough infrastructure for recycling to actually amount to much.

    Internal documents uncovered by the reporting team back that up. As this excerpt shows, one such SPI document warned that there is “serious doubt” widespread plastic recycling “can ever be made viable on an economic basis”:


    Sure enough, it hasn’t been. In all the years since the plastics industry mounted this recycling push, it’s estimated that no more than 10 percent of plastic produced has ever actually been recycled.

    To learn why, watch Plastic Wars. From FRONTLINE producer Rick Young, NPR correspondent Laura Sullivan, and co-producers Emma Schwartz and Fritz Kramer, the documentary is a powerful look at how the plastics industry has used recycling to help sell more plastic — and why the plastic waste problem has only grown.
     
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  2. KingCheetah

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    I volunteered in a recycling center years ago and was pretty shocked that the majority of material coming in is sent to the landfill. I hoped that tech improvements would improve that, but it hasn't really changed at all -- cardboard/paper, glass, and aluminum are recycled and that's about it. All the plastics for the most part go to the dump -- too labor intensive to sort out the few types that can actually be reused.
     
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    Too bad we’re not even containing the plastic waste in landfills. Our oceans are full of plastic that ends up being eaten by wildlife all over the world.
     
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    Micro and nano plastics in air and water scare the **** out of me.
     
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    Thanks for posting. Will watch this one. Wish we had more focus on this issue at a national and global level.
     
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    Y’all should dig up the Penn and Teller Bulls*** episode on recycling
     
  7. juicystream

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    Depends on the center, but there are a number of issues. HDPE plastics 1&2 are the most recyclable. That is milk jugs, soda/water bottles primarily. The rest mostly suck.
     
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    I had been hearing about stuff like this for years and I know that recycling of a lot of things are down. Paper and cardboard recycling is down because the PRC used to take a lot of that waste but due to the trade war and other factors they don't.

    That said I still try to recycle even knowing that a lot of it will probably end up in landfills. I look at it as a discipline as that economies and technology might change so it's better to be in the habit of recycling to take advantage of changes.

    Also one side effect of COVID-19 is that we are using more plastic and especially single serving. Because of avoiding cross contamination a lot of places are no longer allowing people to bring their own travel mugs for coffee and we see that condiments are now all in single serving plastic instead of on table bottles.
     

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