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Nirvana - Mozart?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by Nomar, Apr 2, 2004.

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  1. BrianKagy

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    Grok was Mozart of caveman times.
     
  2. Uncle_Tim

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    BrianKagy, wasn't he featured on History of the World: Part I?

    On another subject, people will remember who they are 100 years from now and beyond. Due to technology and a vast array of interest in old entertainment that is being shown even today, there will be plenty of people that will have the best bands of the 20th century on television such as MTV. After all, people are still gabbing about old films such as Brother Kane (#1 film of the 20th century). Does anybody remember the top 100 films and the top 100 heroes and villains? The truely great bands will not die out.
    Mozart in his day was what people considered Elvis and alot of our modern rock bands. He was a poor outsider who was not overly popular outside of his own circle.
     
  3. KingCheetah

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    I thought Mozart was the first person to ever compose and record (instead of playing once and forgetting) his music. Wasn't he the only person on the entire planet composing music three centuries ago - so of course he would be the overall best and well remembered...? Nirvana is obviously better than Mozart - I mean they use electricity, which was not even available to Mozart!!! Electricity creates a louder more powerful sound and is much more dangerous especially if sweating, performing in high humidity or rain. This seems obvious to me... :confused:
     
  4. TheFreak

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    I think they'll know about Nirvana. People know who Foghat is right now ... why wouldn't they know Nirvana in 200 years? Did they have MTV or VH1 when Mozart was around? I don't think so. We don't know much about what happened 200 years ago b/c there wasn't television, etc. jamming it down our throats in the ensuing years ... that'll be different in the post-Nirvana years.
     
  5. Htownhero

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    TOOL>Nirvana

    Flame away
     
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    Hey - let me know when you're ready to buy some beachfront property in Oklahoma.

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  7. Bailey

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    Some people are still talking about Citizen Kane, too.
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    I believe that would be "Citizen Kane". "Brother Kane" is probably some rapper in Newark New Jersey.
     
  9. Nomar

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    Wrong! Brother Cane was an outstanding 1990s rock and roll band from Alabama, fronted by Damon Johnson. :)
     
  11. RocketMan Tex

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    I stand corrected! Thanks!

    And I'm honored to be part of your signature!
     
  12. Bailey

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    I genuinely don't understand what that thread has to do with this one, apart from you re-using my quote.

    What did I say that makes me look like a prat?
     
  13. Nomar

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    Because you were being smug and sarcastic in correcting a mistake instead of being gracious.

    Basically it's similar to what you called me out for in that thread.
     
  14. Bailey

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    Oh.

    That's what I called you out for. I just thought it made you look arrogant, and a wee bit self-important. Not to mention rude.

    I was just being sarcastic, which admittedly isn't to everyone's taste.

    Sorry for posting off-topic, carry on.
     
  15. TheFreak

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    Okay, amid all the Nirvana hype lately, I decided to listen to "Nevermind" ... and I'm discovering that I really LOVE this album. This is the first serious listening I've done with it since it came out.

    It's almost like a power-pop album. Great melodies and hooks. You can really hear a Cheap Trick influence - in fact I remember Cobain saying something like them being the 'Cheap Trick of the 90s'. The song On a Plain is simply kicking my ass right now. What a GREAT power pop song.

    The only thing is I absolutely HATE when bands tack on like 5-10 minutes of pure air at the end of the last song on an album, then decide to throw in some music after that. It totally kills the whole album in my opinion. It completely interrupts my shuffling experience - I have to skip once that song ends to avoid hearing the air.
     
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    Cobain was a great tunesmith. He had a lot of talent in that department. Whatever his personal demons were, or no matter how annoying a lot of the fans were, I can't deny that they made really good tunes.

    Do they rise to the level of genius? I don't think so. As great as the songs were, they weren't altogether different or breaking new ground. They did earn a lot of popularity at a time when guitar rock wasn't popular, and they came along at a time when there was a general void of bands that wrote their own songs and were actually good songs.

    I like what Max had to say about comparing Mozart to any Rock bands.
     
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/opinion/08MOOR.html?hp

    Here's an essay on Cobain in today's New York Times by Thurston Moore, who was a friend of Cobain's and a founding member of Sonic Youth. He hits the nail right on the head: Cobain had a gift for melody and he imbued this into the punk aesthetic, which made it accessible to a much wider audience. However, his greatest gift, Moore states, was really his voice, and I agree totally. Capable of conveying so much emotion, powerful yet vulnerable, it was the perfect vehicle to deliver his music. His haunting, anguished voice is perhaps best on display in the song, "Where Did You Sleep Last Night," a rendition of an old Appalachian folk song that closes Nirvana's Unplugged album. Anyone who cares at all about Kurt Cobain's music, please find and listen to this song.
     
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    Actually, it was a Leadbelly song.
     
  19. ttboy

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    No, it's not. Leadbelly recorded a version of it, which is where Nirvana heard it from, but the history of the song is long and complex. It is, as I first stated, an old Appalachian folk song that dates back to at least the 1870s. Literally dozens and dozens of musicians have recorded renditions of it, from Bluegrass artists to jazz, from Dolly Parton to the Grateful Dead. So, in short, it's not a Leadbelly song.
     
  20. Xerobull

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    Seems like the appropriate thread to bump to feature Dave Grohl admitting he just ripped off a bunch of disco bands when he played drums for Nirvana.

    @ima_drummer2k

     

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