I try to never post in this forum, but I have a fear this will end up here anyway, so I figured I'd put it here to begin with. Given the demographics of this site, I don't expect much symphathy for white collar criminals, but I thought I'd reach out to you anyway. You probably already have an opinion on this, as do I. I don’t think Jamie Olis is completely without guilt. I have to think that surely he had some idea that “project Alpha” had elements of illegality to it, but I can only imagine that if one of the Big Five accounting firms sold my company some type of structure, my first inclination wouldn’t be to question its ethics; after all…..shouldn’t the accounting firm be held ultimately responsible? Or....at least all the bosses above me who signed off on the project. In my mind, Jamie’s “sentence” should have probably been a fine—somewhere along the magnitude of five to ten thousand dollars. Even if he was truly innocent, this would have sent a message that people need to be more diligent in ensuring the legality of the things they are involved with. Instead, Jamie has been sentenced to 24 years in federal prison with a maximum time off for good behavior of only about four years. Certainly, that should be sobering to quite a few people, but I wonder what kind of message it sends when the real masterminds behind this project will be free. Needless to say, I think his sentence is wrong. Regardless, here’s an e-mail written by Jamie Olis’ wife. If nothing else, it might show how easy this could happen to anyone. This e-mail was sent to the head of International Tax for the Houston office of one of the remaining big four (Jamie worked with this guy previously), and he forwarded it to some of his employees—including my wife. This is how I ended up with it. She doesn't come across as some rich b****, and she doesn't come across as particularly vindictive. She's just someone who, along with her husband, felt that he was innocent....and thusly decided to fight things in the courts. Feel free to forward it to whomever you think might be interested, and feel free to discuss. Dear Friends-- This is Monica again- I apologize in advance for this long e-mail... So many have asked what they could do to help Jamie and our family. We appreciate your concern so much and we know so many of you are hurting along with us. The judge was severely restricted by the federal sentencing guidelines which were changed in November of 2001 and made even harsher in 2002. The intent of course was to " get tough" on white collar crime however it allows a person like Jamie to be held responsible for the entire loss to shareholders and as the judge said, allows that determination to be made as an "estimate" of loss rather than requiring any clear evidence. This "loss calculation" made up the majority of the 24+ year sentence given and it does not consider that the defendant did not profit and had no intent to profit nor does it consider that the defendant had no individual authority to have caused those losses nor their character, lack of a criminal past or their family needs. Just to set a small part of the record straight, it is undisputed that Jamie did not individually act or have authority over any of the things he was convicted of. He was held criminally responsible for these alleged crimes because his boss, who was the sole witness of a "conspiracy" testified (as required to keep his plea deal and reduce his sentence) that Jamie was also in the conspiracy of people that committed those allegedly unlawful acts. Jamie's boss testified that the CFO, many other Dynegy employees/officers, external consultants and two highly reputable outside attorneys were allegedly part of the conspiracy making Jamie, by law, criminally responsible for all of their decisions, advice and work whether or not he knew or understood what was being done beyond his own work. Also, this alleged "scheme" that Jamie is being held responsible for and is described in the press, was a common type of transaction in the industry and the concept was peddled to Dynegy by Arthur Anderson (also now represented as government witnesses) and other experts as a legal and common transaction- and evidence shows that his company's Board and Executive Officers agreed to enter into that type of transaction and assigned employees to a project team to accomplish the transaction. Jamie was not an officer of the company at the time and did not manage anyone at the time. He had no decision making authority on this project and checked everything with his boss who later testified against him. He also did not pocket one penny and had no intention of profiting in any way from the job he was assigned to. Yet, if something doesn't change, he will never have a chance to be a part of his baby daughter's life until she is well into her college years. I know some of you recognize that this could happen to almost anyone and especially anyone in a public company is in danger of being held responsible for estimated shareholder losses. It seems the lower you are in the hierarchy, the easier a target you are for the federal prosecutors especially since we can't afford the tens of millions that these CEOs and CFOs can afford to defend themselves against the millions of taxpayer dollars that the prosecutors have at their disposal. Most of us also cannot afford to be suddenly unemployed and unemployable because of an indictment and the public accusation- No real proof is needed at this stage but the effects of the accusation are financially and emotionally devastating and it typically takes years to get to a trial. The maximum loss per the guideline was $100 million which added almost two decades to Jamie's sentence. For a company the size of Dynegy, that meant about a 30 cent drop per share which happens on any day at any time for any reason and for no reason. The mandatory sentencing guidelines are dangerous because they are blind to the defendant, the circumstances, and are being used as a sledgehammer against low and mid level employees- in essence, you are guilty as accused because the downside is too tremendous to risk fighting for your innocence. Prosecutors seem to target lower level employees in order to intimidate them into pleading guilt, give them a "deal" with the understanding that they will have to earn their freedom back through testimony against someone higher up or, as in our case, someone lower because that is the only way to earn your freedom back to be with your family. It doesn't seem to matter to them that the testimony is opposite from previously sworn testimony and it doesn't matter that it contradicts the written evidence and it doesn't even matter that the testimony isn't factually possible- so long as it provides "substantial assistance" in convicting another. How do you overcome this type of prosecutor coercion when you are innocent? I understand that one can be held responsible for the acts of others in a knowing criminal conspiracy to commit a murder or traffic drugs- the intended crime there is obvious to even an average brain like mine-- but how can an employee of a legitimate company with a legitimate and recognized hierarchy be held responsible for the independent and expert decisions (expected to be lawful) of those in authority? Jamie and I were so sure a jury would see his innocence, we were wrong. Please know that this can happen to another person you care about especially when working in a public company because your exposure is much, much greater. Although the lead prosecutor told the court almost a year ago that they had a "mountain of evidence" and would be indicting many others, they never did. Watch this case and see if the executive officers who were already named as "co-conspirators" are indicted or if they continue to go after non-officers and people who can't afford to defend themselves- and then offer them deals for testimony. According to news reports, it seems that the US Attorney, Michael Shelby will not comment on whether they will pursue the higher ups however he claims this sentence is a message to CEOs and CFOs- could the message be that we will go after your subordinates and if they don't give up, we'll let them rot in prison for your decisions but the actual decision makers who can afford to fully defend themselves are safe? Their definition of "cooperation" means "substantially" help them convict whoever they are pointing their finger at. Prosecutors are craftily climbing their own version of the corporate ladder but doing so on the lives of innocent people who thought they were doing a responsible and legal job for their company but who can't bear the risks of fighting for their innocence at a trial. Another difficult issue is that the length of this sentence would likely put Jamie- who has never committed a crime and has never raised his hand or his voice in anger- in a higher security prison. According to Bureau of Prisons, he would be sent to a medium security prison which is one level under maximum security (every decade of the sentence automatically moves you up a security level regardless that the alleged offense is non violent). That alone is terribly frightening for our family- had I believed that Jamie might be found guilty, I probably would have done everything I could to convince him to take a deal just to keep him safe, as I'm sure any wife would do to be sure that her husband could at least safely come back to his family eventually. I do not mean lying about someone else and damaging their families to get him home sooner -anyone who knows Jamie knows that he would never agree to do that, no matter what- but simply surrendering to this frighteningly unjust system and pray that he could get back home in time to see our baby girl starting her first day of school. Please know we are not government bashers- our families have served this government for many decades in distinguished military service and dedicated civil service. We would not have believed the authority of our government could be so abused as to facilitate this unjust prosecution except that we endured it first hand. I am asking anyone who is concerned about these federal sentencing guidelines and how they are being applied to write or e-mail your congressman and the U.S. Sentencing Commission- who rule on these guidelines. Judge Lake said that this was Congress' intent. I will not criticize Judge Lake and I ask that you don't- I believe he was following the law as written. I do believe that the sentencing guidelines are dangerous and are not being used as Congress anticipated. I hope you will join me in letting Congress and the Sentencing Committee know that and ask that the sentencing guidelines be amended to allow for justice and greater discretion to judges who are in a better position to weigh the factual differences in each case. This doesn't take away a judges ability to impose a devastating sentence to an Executive Officer of a company who knowingly made decisions that clearly caused significant harm to others- however, it may free lower level people who believe in their own innocence from being horribly victimized by the federal prosecutors. By the way, to my knowledge, there is no real recourse against the government or its attorneys for incorrectly pursuing a prosecution or for inappropriately influencing witnesses. Apparently, they are only limited by their own consciences, and that is very very frightening. Here is the website to get to your Congressman. http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Also, please copy your e-mail to the U.S. Sentencing Commission members who approve and rule on these guidelines: Their e-mail address is pubaffairs@ussc.gov mailtoubaffairs@ussc.gov and ask that your e-mail be forwarded to each of the Sentencing Commission members. Those e-mails should take no more than a few minutes--U.S. Senators are harder to reach but can be of great assistance in speaking on your behalf. They require an authorization to do so and I am attaching the link to your U.S. Senator by state. It is http://www.senate.gov/ Please go to the Casework section of the Senator's website and there will be mailing instructions for letters and a mandatory authorization form that must be mailed in order for the Senator to assist. Writing your Senator and sending the signed authorization will take more time to complete than the above e-mails and will cost a few postage stamps. If you are willing to take that time to take this additional step to solicit your Senators' help, my daughter and I would greatly appreciate it. Finally-My goal is 4000 letters/e-mails to Congress and the Sentencing Commission (I know Robin & Ben will get us to a quarter of this goal single-handedly). So I hope you will forward this request to anyone else who is concerned about this. If you do decide to forward this however, please delete all of our e-mail addresses. Although I know you will send it to others who are concerned and want to help, this may be forwarded well beyond that group and we have found there are some people who don't understand what this is about but have hateful intentions toward Jamie and I want to reduce any additional exposure that he, our family and our friends have to anything like that. Thank you so much for your help and your prayers! Jamie is fighting this verdict through an appeal, but if there can be some relief on these sentencing guidelines, maybe others won't be damaged as we have been -- Monica P.S. I am attaching a sample letter to give you an idea for those wanting help to get started. Any portion of it can be copied and pasted into an e-mail but please express your own sentiments as you wish in your e-mail. The second page of the attachment includes quotes from experts on this matter. Thank you again-- <<sampleltr.doc>>
I agree Pole. The guy got railroaded, but given the current climate concerning corporate malfeasance, it's not too surprising. This guy gets 20+ years and Lea Fastow gets a gold-plated plea bargain. So wrong.
Fastow's wife withdrew her guilty plea today. She would have had to serve 5 months in jail then i think 5 under house arrest. Pretty ridiculous to withdraw the plea with that kind of deal
Yeah, I thought it was a shame that the judge reneged after they got her husband all squared away on the deal. Next time, husband-and-wife criminals will just keep their mouths shut.
Pole, I just said this to BrianKagy, but I'll say this to you. Come back. I want more conservatives over here. Like I said to him, I have my own theory as to why this section of the board has gone to ****, but I'll save that for another time. I just wish more thoughtful conservatives would post here sans personal insults. I think the reaction by the cadre would be different.
I disagree. As for the sentencing guidelines, I've never liked them. I've always thought Congress (or Legislatures) were overstepping the separation of powers by legislating punishments. Let a judge (or a jury) decide a just punishment for the crime. With everything, I'm sure there would be some people who ended up with a lighter sentence than they "deserved", but I'd rather err that way than on the side of harsher sentences than are deserved.
Why? I don't mean to totally derail the thread, but I'm wondering why you feel this way? I think if there was a public discussion regarding the acceptance of other's viewpoints sans personal insults, then we could have a discourse here without the crap that's been thrown from side to side in the past 22 months or so. Of course, I fully admit that I've thrown a lot of that crap.
It's the climate indeed. And whether it's 'white collar crime' or the three strikes rule, it can be the result when you apply...to quote... Though i highly doubt he is as innocent as his wife proclaims, and i tend to think a $5 - $15K fine (possibly a month’s wages??) is far too low for what he allegedly did, i agree 24 years seems crazy. Personally, i'm glad they're toughening up the punishment for these manipulations (again -- THIS sentence seems TOO tough) and charging the ones who can truly profit through their stock options and bonuses. And i also applaud putting the onus on the ones who actually do the deed rather than allowing them to defer the responsibility to their advisors. The advisors should also be held accountable, of course, but the ones actually making the decision should bear responsibility too. And that responsibility should bring with it the possibility of jail time if it is abused. The ones who've gotten off far too lightly, in my opinion, and the ones who've pushed for much of the manipulation and profited most from it, in my experience, are the investment bankers. But that's another rant. Again. I was shocked by this verdict. And I agree it's unjust. Perhaps no more unjust than some of the guys who end up on Death Row vs what appear to be similar crimes that end up with relatively light sentences. And I second RM95's plea. Post more in here. Intelligent debate has been lacking lately. RM95: Kagy??? As an old time lurker i would love to see that. Just shoot my productivity to hell why don't you.
Exactly. Hell, I'm hopefully going to be starting a second job soon that monitors your web usage. If BK, one of my top 5 posters of all-time starts posting more, my discipline will be tested. BTW, bnb...post more.
As have I. I just think the idea of debate and discussion went out the window a long time ago, and it's more along the lines of talk radio bluster at this point. I know attempts I've made to make a rational post (which is harder for me to do than one would think) have been met with a degrading response about what I may or may not have heard on the radio or whatever. And with so much sincere hatred for the people in charge, with so much naked disgust for those in power, it's difficult to have a discussion because so much of what gets posted is simply "Bush is the Devil" type posts (and attempts to smear John Kerry posts from others). I admit there's plenty to dislike about the administration, but the blind hatred does not make for interesting discussion or debate (just as it didn't during the Clinton terms when Republicans would attack, attack, attack). It's not that I mind discussion and debate about the things that the people in power do wrong, but when it turns into Crossfire or the Rush Limbaugh Show-type antics (where the goal is simply to destroy rather than to discuss), it's not really a debate or a discussion anymore. One of the reasons a lot of people hate politics is this whole "I'm 100% correct. You're always 100% wrong" attitude that tends to permeate the political parties. Any policy crafted by a Republican is evil to a Democrat, and vice versa. It doesn't matter what the policy is. I don't know... I've gone off on a rant here. The point being that, to me, it goes beyond personal insults. Those personal jabs against public figures (on both sides of the aisle) are part of the problem, too. Nobody likes to see their guys attacked, even if they themselves think their guys are wrong. GWB has done so much I've disliked, but when I come on here and see him dragged across the coals, it makes me want to defend him against the hyperbole just because no one else is. And that just leads to more Rush Limbaugh-style "debate" where it's all about whose side you're on rather than the issues and true opinions. But that's just what I think as a person who reads fewer and fewer D&D posts as time goes on.
Honestly, though, I don't think that's why a lot of the conservatives have stopped posting. I think that's something that's been around here since the beginning. Unfortunately, I believe that it started to become more personal than simply trashing the guy that one supports. That's what I want to get past, despite the fact that it's probably impossible at this point. Liberals won't stop because they don't know who to take seriously and conservatives won't simply try to make it more civil and instead try to make themselves martyrs at the hands of a liberal BBS (broad generalizations, of course). This really deserves its own thread, IMO.
I can only go by what I feel (and what a very few other people have told me in private). But I'll save any further discussion on the matter for when this subject has its own thread and let this one try to get back on topic.