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Minority Report - Florida Style

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bobrek, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Good lord:

    "He later said the approach was not unlike the way the federal government goes after terrorists."
     
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    The American society has decided a long time ago that lowering crime rates is the job of only the law enforcement rather than increasing standards of living by reducing wealth inequality as a method to lowering crime.

    We are very reactionary as a country where vindication and justice is far more important than building a better society.
     
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    Haven't read the full article yet but it sounds like some of the policies that Rudy Giuliani was using in NYC.
     
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    Yup. And those polices got some severe pushback if I recall correctly especially from the Muslim community in NY.
     
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    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    According to the article there were around 12,500 of these instances since 2015. Let's assume 2 hours an instance counting travel, interaction and report time. That's 3 years worth of manpower operating 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
     
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    If the goal is to reduce crime, then a data-driven prevention program that target resources on the groups and areas statistically probable to commit crimes is an efficient approach. Michael Bloomberg used this data-driven technique to reduce crime in NYC.

    Obviously, it's not politically correct to identify who these groups/areas are, but their identities are common knowledge. Crime rates are inversely proportionate to real estate values in a community.

    We must do everything we can to preserve individual liberties in the process.
     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Yes, because Lord knows, the police need to spend their time arresting people because a 17 year old is smoking in a private residence.

    "They arrested another target’s father after peering through a window in his house and noticing a 17-year-old friend of his son smoking a cigarette inside."
     
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    We are really dumb and lazy apes who try to fix problems downstream instead of upstream.

    Our entire criminal justice apparatus has a perverse set of incentives that encourage this short-sighted behavior.
     
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    It's because so much of our justice system is determined through elections from sheriffs to district attorneys. This creates an insentive for these people to tap into the base desires of our voting public and pander to retribution and justice rather than actually looking into the long term and improving society.

    It's definitely not the only reason but I'm assuming it plays a significant factor.
     
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    Florida style is very fitting! Sounds like a guy that doesn’t understand science and policing but think he does. This is less about minority report and more about incompetence and abusing the agency power with crappy methods. Put people who doesn’t understand crap in power, has no moral compass and you get this crap.


    “But Pasco’s drop in property crimes was similar to the decline in the seven largest nearby police jurisdictions. Over the same time period, violent crime increased only in Pasco.”

    “One of the worst manifestations of the intersection of junk science and bad policing — and an absolute absence of common sense and humanity — that I have seen in my career," said David Kennedy, a renowned criminologist at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, whose research on crime prevention is referenced in Pasco’s policies.
     
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    You don't prevent crime in the long term with these tactics. You just create a longer list of people going through the criminal justice ringer where they become life long criminals. That's what happens when you over prosecute.

    America has 22 percent of the world's prison population but 4 percent of the overall population on this planet. That should tell you something. If we witnssed this with another country from a perspective of being an American we would consider that country a autocratic draconian system.
     
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    Absolutely. My first thought was about Stop and Frisk King Bloomberg who spent a billion to try to stop Sanders and who was rewarded with a Convention spot.
    I hope, but doubt that Bloomberg will be spending that heavily to defeat Trump.
     
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    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-dnc.html

    In March, Mr. Bloomberg made an enormous $18 million transfer to the Democratic Party and offered up the leases to 13 field offices for the party’s use. Within weeks of exiting the race, he put $4.5 million into three major progressive groups — Swing Left, Collective Future and Voto Latino.

    Mr. Bloomberg has also put $35 million toward Hawkfish, a data and analytics operation that has contracts with the Democratic National Committee and Unite the Country, a pro-Biden super PAC permitted to accept unlimited contributions. His money has underwritten that digital venture, covering the firm’s operating costs as its staff conducts work for Democrats at market value, a spokeswoman said.
     
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