Fell "out" of your toilet seat?! This begs a question. Are you the Tidy Bowl man or simply a New York piece of ... Shiznet!
Anyone thinks that Houston sports fans have not "toughed it out" enough does not have my respect. Nobody can appreciate Clutch City without toughing out Choke City first.
Entertaining post Alum but it doesn't pan out. NYC fans complain even more than H-town fans. I thought NYC was all about "what have you done for me lately", "Win or get out of town" and all that stuff. Suddenly the town that buys or sells companies based on their performance yesterday is patient. Come on.
I've been critical of Houston fans for a long time. They don't support their teams enough in general. They arrive late, and often leave before the game is over. But having lived in NY for ten years, I would say they are 10 times better than New York sports fans. In the ways I mentioned NY fans definitely have the edge. But overall they are more knowledgable, more positive(at least in the past) and are in general tougher than NY fans. NY fans think they are tough and believe that their teams are the center of the sports universe. They are usually confused and in denial when their teams stink. Houston Fans at least know how take it when there team isn't so hot and don't have the attitude that they are the sports center of the world. NY fans do stay loyal and support their teams more, but I would never call them tougher.
I hope the negative people who bail out are gonna post on this thread. I already know the people here who posted and their usual opinions. But where are all the whiners and bailers? Softies.
Franchise, You are not playing along. Houston Fans are BETTER than NYC fans? Hilarious. Do you see the consistant sell outs? Do you see Houston with a 40k waiting list to buy season tickets to ANY sports? I have yet to see an overflowing Toyota Center. And we have a worldwide star and and an all-star on the team. Who do the Knicks have? And they STILL sell out. The NY Rangers have been in last place for like 10 straight years and they still sell out all of their home games. Houston fans are pathetic. If Houston would was a real sports town, the new building would be FULL at least for the first year. Les should move the team. No excuse. NONE. I KNOW the Rocks will be in the playoffs. Wanna bet it won't sell out?
There are two types of coaches. One that moldes players into what they think is right. The other pushes to player strenghts. If the player is an awesome scorer and a defensive minded coach tries to make him play d-ball the player will suffer. Doesn't matter how cooperative, the player is hindered. A great coach doesn't need to mold a team (talents gifts and all) into what he understands. A great coach adapts to a team (talents gifts and all) and push that team to the best of what that team can do. Like Nash said once. Mavs are an offensive team. You don't mold that. A great coach doesn't turn Dirk into Ben Wallace. A great coach pushes Dirk to be good a what he thrives at. Maybe ultimately even at its peak the team will lose, that happens. But it is no coincedense that almost every chapionship team had possibly the best player in the league that year on their team. Thats the coach pushing and adapting to the players, not vice versa.
JP, there have been sellouts for over 12 years in a row. And the waiting list is about 20k. If the bigwigs decided not to use the tickets, thats different. But every ticket has been sold for years. What about Houston? When did they sell out last? 1995? New stadium. Hows that working out?
I lived in New York for 3 years. You people mistaken rudeness for toughness. If we're talking toughness, I'll take the Texan over the New Yorker 365 days a year.
A sellout doesn't mean much if half the people don't even show up. The rockets have the same problem. The corporations buy up all the seats and don't show. Houston had quite a long streak of 150+ sellouts before they began rebuilding.
Almu, you're from here. Don't you remember that strength of character and civility can -- and should -- go hand in hand? If I were JVG I would roast the guys alive behind closed doors but never in front of the world. That's my biggest complaint regarding JVG. As for the team, I believe in them even though I believe changes need to be made. That's because I believe in the team -- not individual players in and for themselves. Have I experienced New Yorkers in New York? Yes. The best way to shake them up is with courtesy. I agree with part of your rant -- many here would give up on the team just because they are losing. But despite their anger, the Rockets are still their one and only team. It's like this morning when I was ready to throttle my sister for another one of her unthinking actions. As mad as I was, she is still my sister and I still love her. So, as one of my favorite posters, sit back and let the boardsters have their fun ranting. Afterall, we're fans so we don't have to be responsible. Oops, forgot one thing. MSG has more sellouts because 1) they have a bigger fan base; 2) they have more gigantic corporations which buy most of the seats as a write-off; and 3) New York is an entertainment mecca where people must be "seen" as per Los Angeles. That said, I wish the Rocks could generate the per capita support that is wasted on the Knicks.
I agree with you that they don't show up and support their teams like New Yorkers. I said I've been critical of the Houston fans for that. NY fans win in that category. I was just talking about toughness and attitudes. I prefer Houston fans over NY fans in that manner. Though I will say that part of the reason the Knicks and Rangers sell out is that the Garden is smaller than the Summit was and smaller thanthe Toyota Center. Actually that still doesn't account for the huge difference, but it might lessen the degree to which NY fans are more supportive than Houston fans.
I'm glad you brought this up. I don't really know the economic factors that predict ticket sales, but people always talk about ticket sales as a function of how much fans care. Certainly that's a component, but I'm not ready to accept an argument based on that assumption.
How big is Portland compared to Houston? Don't they have the longest streak in the NBA? Corporation? Oh my goodness. That is lame. What does that have to do with anything? There are PLENTY OF SEATS for everyone else that don't even sell. And you guys make it seem like Houston has 1 million people!!! What? Now its not the fourth largest city in the country? Can't get 750k in one year? Awwwww...itty, bitty Wouston. Whats wong? Can't get a itty, bitty sell out in a new stadium? Coach too tuffy on the players? Aww...wanna shoulder to cry on? Please. Les needs to move the team if this continues.