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Kenosha police shoots black man multiple times in his back in front of his children, declares curfew

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 23, 2020.

  1. jiggyfly

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    You never answered and now you want to duck out without actually answering it.
     
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  2. durvasa

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    I literally explained it 4 times. A press release is for reporting known facts of the case. Whether he was armed or not before reaching the car is still not resolved (a witness claims he didn’t see the knife in his hands, the police officers apparently believed he had a knife in his hands).

    How many more times do you want me to repeat this for you?
     
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    Nope nope and nope

    How about teaching the public why it’s important to comply and we aren’t having this issue.

    People keep pointing fingers at a cop when he did nothing wrong.

    Let’s allow him to reach in said vehicle...



    could have easily been two dead cops here had the victim knew how to shoot properly.

    Stop defending criminals.
     
  5. Commodore

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    pillar of the community, loving father, Biden voter


     
  6. CometsWin

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    Ha. The juxtaposition. This guy literally threatens to kill this policeman.


     
  7. CometsWin

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    He was a bad guy or he had a pellet gun or he reached for his license or he had a cellphone in hand or she was sleeping or he had a fake $20 bill or he was selling cigarettes or he was walking home or <insert reason here> for rapid escalations and murders.
     
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  8. jiggyfly

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    Why would the press report leave out the fact that he had a knife in his hand?

    This should be a known fact why would they need to investigate it.

    Why would the press report not say that officers believed he had a knife in his hand? Why are you saying apparently if we are sticking to facts?

    Especially considering the fact that the report said he a knife in the car and he told them he had a knife.

    These are the things you refuse to answer.
     
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  9. durvasa

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    I don’t think the sequence of events described by this tweet are accurate. No where has it been reported that he assaulted the officers, or that the officers were responding to a complaint about him.

    The facts that I’m aware of are: there was another dispute going on between some women which he was reportedly trying to deescalate, and the cops arrived and decided to pull up his record and they found there was a warrant for his arrest due to the (serious) allegations from his ex. All we know from that point is he resisted arrest, they unsuccessfully tried to taser him, he walked over to his car where his kids were inside, and he was shot 7 times in the back. A knife was found in his car, no other weapon.

    Edit: I'll note that more information from the police association attorney, linked below, contradicts what I just wrote.
     
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  10. durvasa

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    Do you have a reading problem? It is not a fact. How many times have I said this?

    Why should it be a known fact? The officer's account is not infallible. They may have mistakenly believed he had a knife. The blurry photo may be something else.

    Because it isn't a fact. I never said it was a fact. You are claiming that him being unarmed is a fact, when this was not in the press report.

    Edit: That sentence where I said "apparently" was in reference to whether the officers believed he had a knife. Witness accounts were that they heard the officers say to drop the knife. I say "apparently" because it's possible the witness misheard them, though it would be strange for them to have misheard that.

    Those are the facts. Him being unarmed prior to reaching his car is not a known fact.

    They have now been answered, again. Now drop this until we learn more.
     
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  11. Andre0087

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    Painting with a broad brush again I see. The police are not there to judge his character, make an arrest, charge the crime, and let the courts do their job. For a Trump supporter you aren’t that bright? But that’s to be expected...
     
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    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5654147002/

    Kenosha police union attorney issues several statements about what transpired in Blake shooting

    Kenosha Police Association attorney Brendan P. Matthews and the union representing the involved officers released a lengthy statement aiming to correct the record about facts related to the Jacob Blake shooting.

    "The recent officer-involved shooting in Kenosha has produced a variety of feelings and narratives; most of which are wholly inaccurate," the release said. "The purely fictional depiction of events coming from those without direct knowledge of what actually occurred is incredibly harmful and provides no benefit to anyone whatsoever, other than to perpetuate a misleading narrative.The lawyers for Mr. Blake, among others, have continued to provide false and misleading 'facts' to the public, in what can only be considered a ploy for attention and sympathy."

    Matthews goes on to say that even the Wisconsin Department of Justice incident update into the investigation has inaccuracies.

    These were Matthews' points:
    • The officers were dispatched to the location due to a complaint that Mr. Blake was attempting to steal the caller’s keys/vehicle.
    • Officers were aware of Mr. Blake’s open warrant for felony sexual assault (3rd degree) before they arrived on scene.
    • Mr. Blake was not breaking up a fight between two females when officers arrived on scene.
    • The silver SUV seen in the widely circulated video was not Mr. Blake’s vehicle.
    • Mr. Blake was not unarmed. He was armed with a knife. The officers did not see the knife initially. The officers first saw him holding the knife while they were on the passenger side of the vehicle. The “main” video circulating on the internet shows Mr. Blake with the knife in his left hand when he rounds the front of the car. The officers issued repeated commands for Mr. Blake to drop the knife. He did not comply.
    • The officers initially tried to speak with Mr. Blake, but he was uncooperative.
    • The officers then began issuing verbal commands to Mr. Blake, but he was non-compliant.
    • The officers next went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake, so as to gain compliance and control.
    • Mr. Blake actively resisted the officers’ attempt to gain compliance.
    • The officers then disengaged and drew their tasers, issuing commands to Mr. Blake that he would be tased if he did not comply.
    • Based on his non-compliance, one officer tased Mr. Blake. The taser did not incapacitate Mr. Blake.
    • The officers once more went “hands-on” with Mr. Blake; again, trying to gain control of the escalating situation.
    • Mr. Blake forcefully fought with the officers, including putting one of the officers in a headlock.
    • A second taser (from a different officer than had deployed the initial taser) was then deployed on Mr. Blake. It did not appear to have any impact on him.
    • Based on the inability to gain compliance and control after using verbal, physical and less-lethal means, the officers drew their firearms.
    • Mr. Blake continued to ignore the officers’ commands, even with the threat of lethal force now present.

    Added Matthews, "None of the officers involved wished for things to transpire the way it did. It is my hope that truth and transparency will help begin and aid in the healing process."

    The Department of Justice has not confirmed all of the itemized points.
     
  13. J.R.

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    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5654147002/

    Shackles removed from Blake, officers leave hospital room

    Handcuffs restraining Jacob Blake have been removed and the sheriff's deputies stationed in his room have left after his attorney arranged a bail payment, according to the attorney and the Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office.

    Blake was restrained because he was in custody for a July warrant related to a domestic violence charge.

    His attorney in the case, Patrick Cafferty, confirmed the warrant was vacated earlier Friday after $500 bail was posted. The criminal case remains open.

    "The charges are still pending and we will be dealing with those," Cafferty told the Journal Sentinel.

    Family members and attorneys said Blake was paralyzed from the waist down after he was shot seven times in the back by police on Sunday.

    The Milwaukee County Sheriff's Office released a statement confirming that Blake was released from police custody Friday and that deputies watching Blake have left his room.


    https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5654147002/

    At the close of a Friday press conference, Kenosha County Sheriff David G. Beth said he hadn't seen the video of Kenosha police shooting Blake in the back multiple times, the event that paralyzed Blake the waist down, according to his family, and led to days of unrest in the city.

    He didn't answer when asked if he thought it was a problem that he hadn't seen the widely circulated video of the shooting recorded by a bystander.

    He and Kenosha police chief Daniel Miskinis also discussed the factors that led to law enforcement not apprehending Kyle Rittenhouse immediately. Another detail: There are now more than 1,000 members of the National Guard in Kenosha.




    https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/...ting/507-90ab65b9-8e04-4283-aa07-ba141925928f

    An annual Kenosha Police Department report indicates Sheskey was hired as an officer in 2013.

    In an August 2019 interview with the Kenosha News, Sheskey said he had always wanted to go into law enforcement, noting that his grandfather served the city as a police officer for 33 years.

    “What I like most is that you’re dealing with people on perhaps the worst day of their lives and you can try and help them as much as you can and make that day a little bit better,” Sheskey told the newspaper. “And that, for the most part, people trust us to do that for them. And it’s a huge responsibility, and I really like trying to help people. We may not be able to make a situation right, or better, but we can maybe make it a little easier for them to handle during that time.”

    Sheskey, who appears to be white based on photographs and video, was moved to the bike patrol in 2017, according to the Kenosha News interview.

    He was among a group of officers named in a handwritten federal lawsuit filed last year by a man in the Kenosha County jail, Lathan Steven Ward, who accused the officers of damaging his door while they were breaking it down to execute a no-knock warrant in August 2018. He also accused the officers of racial profiling and causing him pain and shame. U.S. District Judge J.P. Stadtmueller dismissed the case, ruling Ward’s allegations weren’t sufficient to sustain the lawsuit.

    Before Sheskey joined the Kenosha Police Department he worked for the campus police department at University of Wisconsin-Parkside in Kenosha from the fall of 2009 to the spring of 2013. He served in various roles, including as a dispatcher, enforcing parking regulations and as a police officer, university records show.

    Investigators have not said how many complaints may have been filed against Sheskey, whether his superiors ever disciplined him or whether he earned any commendations.

    Arenas has been with the Kenosha Police Department since February 2019 and previously served with the U.S. Capitol Police Department from June 2017 through January 2019, authorities said. Arenas served in the Marines from 2012 to 2017 and did not do any combat deployments, the Marine Corps said.

    Meronek joined the Kenosha police force in January. She received a technical diploma from the criminal justice law enforcement academy at Gateway Technical College in May, according to school records.
     
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  14. Mr.Scarface

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    So, he deserved to executed without due process? Got it.
     
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    but @Commodore knows more about knots than anyone else
     
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    Good to get the officer's story as well. Some of it is obviously intended as distraction. But that's what his representatives should do.
     
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    it was an execution of a really bad person - @Commodore
     
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  18. durvasa

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    I stand corrected on the version of the events I described earlier, if this is all true.
     
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  19. FranchiseBlade

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    That's a big 'if'
     
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