Curious what the reaction on the right will be relative to 2012. Introspection? Farther push to the right? Moderation? I’m a Democrat and I am voting for Joe Biden. I expect him to shift to the center after the election, as is typical for most normal presidents, so he probably still will get nothing done if the GOP holds the Senate. Don’t bore us with “There’s no way that will happen” type responses. Genuinely curious to hear from my thoughtful conservative friends.
Depends on the Senate. If it's a sweep, White House, House, Senate I think you will see some pretty progressive legislation, Green New deal, some form of public insurance (expanded Medicare/Medicade Affordable Care etc. not universal health care0
I think we are trending towards a three or four party system post Trump. Hard Right - I see Tom Cotton or Don Jr. as the two most likely candidates of this party. Maybe Gym Jordan. Moderate - Everyone from John Kasich to Joe Manchin to Corey Booker or Kamala Harris. Liberal - AOC I see as the future party leader. I think she's signaled pretty clearly that she'll play ball now to get Trump out, but I think there are plans to distinguish their own party platform. The big question will be whether or not come 2024 or 2028 if one of the three parties will support one of the other parties they see as the lesser of two evils. What would be very interesting is if all three went into November of 2024 with three equal parties. Let's say the ballot reads: Choice A: Republican Party: Don Jr. Choice B: Democratic Party: Kamala Harris Choice C: Democratic Socialist Party: Alexandria Ocassio Cortez It would be fascinating to see the results of that election. My guess is Don Jr. even as bad of a candidate as he would be would have a really good shot at winning on a straight up hard right party ticket. You'd probably have to run more of a Joe Manchin type of candidate than a Kamala Harris, but the only issue is Harris is probably the most likely candidate for a Moderate Democratic party to nominate. So after saying that, maybe we don't change at all post Biden. But who knows... the AOC Dem Social party could actually win too in a true 3 party race. It just depends I guess on how things shift culturally. I will say that the more the system looks like a billionaire run oligarchy the better chance an AOC run Dem Social party has at winning as a third party.
As I said in the other thread I predict there will be violence if Biden wins. Trump is already prepping his followers to believe that the election will be stolen from him. It's possible we might not know the final result for weeks and during that time there will be a lot of groups causing trouble. I think November will be a very rough month for this country. Once Biden is President I agree a lot depends on what the makeup is of the Senate. If there is a strong Democratic majority there will be things like a greatly expanded ACA and a big jobs program based on spending in green technology. There will also be a debate on packing the USSC. I'm not sure if it will happen but I there is a desire to do it. At the minimum a lot of Trump EO's will be repealed and early on in the new Presidency there will be charm offensive with trips to see long standing allies in Europe. I don't think it might go so far as having multiple parties but at least in the GOP there will be a major realignment. I predict as soon as Trump is gone a lot of those now kissing his ass will turn on him. People like Ben Sasse, Marco Rubio and probably even Ted Cruz will be claiming they always distrusted and never fully backed him. There will still be people like Tom Cotton and Matt Gaetz who are true believers who might not continue praising Trump but will keep on pushing Trumpism. There will be a fight in party between those who want to see the party focus on small government but less on social issues and also increase immigration versus those who continue to want to push the Populist and Nativist Trumpist party. For the Democrats there will be conflict between the Progressive and Moderates but I don't see it getting as bad as what is happening in the GOP. The GOP as is facing a demographic reckoning. As polling shows the current party still wins white people but is losing badly among minority groups. In a decade or so there won't be enough white people, especially the ones that are voting for Trump, to keep things together. CA was once a swing state and CO was once reliably Red it's now looking reliably Blue. AZ could be lost this year. Once TX goes blue that's it. It won't matter if they can win Midwest states using blue collar populism and anti-Globalization.
