1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

2020 Presidential Election

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 26, 2020.

  1. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

    Joined:
    May 15, 2000
    Messages:
    28,028
    Likes Received:
    13,051
    This **** is just chilling, Russia type garbage. The military needs to put a plan in place to remove this lunatic when the time comes. But hey there was a protest in Portland tonight so let’s put the autocrat and the future of the country on the back burner.

     
    RayRay10 and No Worries like this.
  2. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    81,444
    Likes Received:
    121,821
    WSJ Editorial Board:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-joe-biden-we-know-11597966558?mod=hp_opin_pos_1

    The Joe Biden We Know
    What does his long political career tell us about how he’d govern?
    By The Editorial Board
    Updated Aug. 20, 2020 11:55 pm ET

    It took three tries and more than 30 years, but Joe Biden finally accepted the Democratic Party nomination for President Thursday evening. The moment was a personal triumph, and a credit to the former Vice President’s doggedness and the alliances he has formed over decades. Yet despite all of his many years in public life, it still isn’t clear what kind of President Mr. Biden would make.

    Let’s assume that the gilded testimonials to Mr. Biden’s personal character at this week’s Democratic convention are true. He is by all accounts a nice guy. He cares about people, powerful or not. He can forge alliances across the aisle. He does not kick down at adversaries, at least most of the time. “Character is on the ballot,” as he put it Thursday night. In other words, he’s running as Not Donald J. Trump.

    In the best case, Mr. Biden is asking Americans to believe that he would take these personal qualities to the White House and mediate policy disputes, calm the culture wars, and work with both parties to break America’s partisan fever. He’d do the same on the world stage, defending U.S. interests without bullying allies and leading international coalitions anew.

    After the disruptions of the Trump era, this political idyll sounds inviting. Mr. Biden would certainly have the media and the institutions of American culture on his side, so the daily pitched battles of the last four years would be muted, at least for a time.

    ***
    Yet there’s cause to doubt this happily-ever-after-Trump scenario—and the reasons include the man and the times. Regarding the man, Mr. Biden has never been a politician of strong political convictions. He’s a professional partisan Democrat whose beliefs have shifted as the party’s have.

    Nearly all successful presidential candidates put their own political and policy stamps on their party and the times. Bill Clinton was a New Democrat who would reform welfare, George W. Bush was a compassionate conservative, and Barack Obama was a multiracial uniter who’d transcend red and blue state differences. Donald Trump was the populist disrupter of the establishment.

    Mr. Biden has no such defining message. Can you think of a single policy, or even a phrase, that identifies what he has stood for in this campaign? The closest might have been a return to normalcy. But sometime in recent months that gave way to the party’s desire for transformational economic and social change.

    More than any recent presidential nominee, Mr. Biden is more figurehead than party leader. He was the fail-safe choice, the last-ditch savior in South Carolina, after Bernie Sanders looked like he could run the primary table. Mr. Biden was lifted by his party’s elites. He owes them more than they owe him.

    All of which leads to doubts that Mr. Biden would govern like the moderate of Milwaukee’s virtual convention. Mr. Biden would have a better chance of governing that way, ironically, if Republicans retain the Senate this year. Then compromise with Mitch McConnell would be a political necessity to get anything done.

    But if Mr. Biden wins by his current polling margin, a Democratic sweep of Congress is far more likely. How probable would it be that Mr. Biden would be able to control, or want to control, the progressive ambitions of House and Senate Democrats and the institutional left?

    There is reason for pessimism from the evidence of his long career. He opposed taxpayer funding for abortion for four decades until he reversed himself last year. In the 1990s he led the fight for a crime bill that he now disavows as he finds America guilty of systemic racism.

    Before Robert Bork was nominated to the Supreme Court, Mr. Biden said he’d probably have to vote for him because of his qualifications. Then Ted Kennedy launched a tirade against the jurist. Mr. Biden, running the Judiciary Committee at the time, fell in line.

    When Anita Hill made charges against Clarence Thomas only days before a scheduled confirmation vote, Mr. Biden folded under pressure and called hearings that became a spectacle. Justice Thomas was confirmed, as he should have been, but last year Mr. Biden loudly apologized to Ms. Hill and Democrats for not doing more in opposition.

    As his polling lead has grown, Mr. Biden has said the 60-vote filibuster rule in the Senate might have to go, which would forestall the need for compromise. He has moved left since the primaries, absorbing Bernie Sanders’s priorities on student debt and much of the Green New Deal. His choice of California Senator Kamala Harris as running mate was a bow to the party’s desire for a progressive as his likely successor. But his speech, like the convention, focused on his platform only in the most general terms, mostly with gauzy platitudes.

    As for foreign policy, he supported the invasion of Iraq in 2002 while chairing the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Then he flipped when most Democrats did and as the fighting became difficult. Then he opposed the 2007 Iraq surge, saying it would fail. Then in 2011 he supported Barack Obama’s withdrawal from Iraq that set the stage for the rise of Islamic State. He opposed the raid on Osama bin Laden.

    Misjudgments on hard questions are inevitable, and every President makes them. But one test of political character is the willingness to stand up to pressure and make hard choices even when they’re politically unpopular. Mr. Biden has no record of doing so.

    ***
    Some readers may think it rude to say this, but Mr. Biden’s health and mental acuity are also relevant as he soon turns 78. His ability to recall names and events has clearly deteriorated. This may be the normal decline that comes with age, and he delivered his speech well. But his advisers don’t inspire confidence by keeping the candidate from any but the friendliest media questioners. They owe it to the country to let him show his stamina and fitness from now to Election Day.

    Even if his health holds, Mr. Biden would almost certainly be a one-term President. This means his political capital would fall starting on Inauguration Day like a new car off the lot. Democrats would jockey to succeed him and to push the party left. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would drive policy.

    These are all issues to consider as voters measure their tolerance for four more years of Mr. Trump’s behavior. Character counts in a President, as we learned long before Donald Trump sat in the Oval Office. But so do policies and political fortitude.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  3. RayRay10

    RayRay10 Houstonian

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2015
    Messages:
    4,629
    Likes Received:
    11,032
  4. NewRoxFan

    NewRoxFan Member

    Joined:
    Feb 22, 2002
    Messages:
    55,794
    Likes Received:
    55,868
  5. RayRay10

    RayRay10 Houstonian

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2015
    Messages:
    4,629
    Likes Received:
    11,032
  6. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2007
    Messages:
    58,167
    Likes Received:
    48,334
    Biden's a pragmatic politician who will work with Congress including those from other party, he's likely not going to make radical change.. Seriously the WSJ is putting those up as criticisms of Biden and reasons to vote against him? This shows how far they have fallen when things they would've praised before are now seen as negatives.
     
    Rashmon, Nook and RayRay10 like this.
  7. edwardc

    edwardc Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2003
    Messages:
    10,540
    Likes Received:
    9,748
  8. edwardc

    edwardc Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2003
    Messages:
    10,540
    Likes Received:
    9,748
  9. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,813
    Likes Received:
    5,218
    Word is he’s going to execute his political enemies by burning them at the stake as a form of protest after he declares himself the king of the US at the end of the year
     
  10. ROXRAN

    ROXRAN Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2000
    Messages:
    18,813
    Likes Received:
    5,218
  11. dobro1229

    dobro1229 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2010
    Messages:
    25,725
    Likes Received:
    22,485
    Do you think that if Trump knew he could get away with poisoning political enemies the way that Putin does to maintain control that he WOULD NOT do so?

    What about Trump makes you believe that he has such a high moral compass that there's a bug in his head that would stop him and tell himself that having someone killed is too much even if it costs me my power, wealth, and potential freedom since I have committed crimes?

    Tell me all about how Trump has displayed the type of moral compass that would keep him from doing this to stay in power & stay out of jail?
     
    deb4rockets and RayRay10 like this.
  12. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,953
    Likes Received:
    32,173
    OMG. This is spot on!
     
    Reeko and RayRay10 like this.
  13. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,953
    Likes Received:
    32,173
    It's hilarious how those on here bashing Biden can't justify Trump's constant lying.
     
    the11mingdynasty, Reeko and RayRay10 like this.
  14. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,444
    Likes Received:
    144,447
    very stable genius
     
    deb4rockets and RayRay10 like this.
  15. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,444
    Likes Received:
    144,447
    more voter suppression tactics...he doesn’t even try to hide it
     
    RayRay10 and deb4rockets like this.
  16. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,953
    Likes Received:
    32,173
    When a man lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and lies and you still believe him, then you wouldn't know the truth if it slapped you in the face.
     
    Nook and RayRay10 like this.
  17. Reeko

    Reeko Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    52,444
    Likes Received:
    144,447
    I wonder how the MAGA puppets will rationalize and defend this? Is this the president, or the beginnings of a dictatorial regime?
     
    RayRay10 and deb4rockets like this.
  18. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,953
    Likes Received:
    32,173
    Why would he? He thinks he's invincible.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.
  19. edwardc

    edwardc Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2003
    Messages:
    10,540
    Likes Received:
    9,748
    Yep there all so far up his *sre they can't see any light.
     
    deb4rockets and RayRay10 like this.
  20. deb4rockets

    deb4rockets Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 8, 2013
    Messages:
    24,953
    Likes Received:
    32,173
    He's joked about this too much to put my mind at ease as to what depths he would go to just to make that happen.
     
    RayRay10 likes this.

Share This Page