http://www.clutchcity.net/news.cfm?NewsID=702 Good to be back... I have a lot of catching up to do on the board, but I see things have been busy Special thanks to Jeff for updating the site while I was gone. ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Welcome back, Clutch. Jeff, over in The Heights, is a little indisposed. If anyone sees a bottle with a "help" message in it, it might be the one he flushed down the toilet. I saw this Terrence Morris thang in the Chicago Tribune and mentioned it in a thread in the Draft forum; I also mentioned that Steve needs to stay mum on this subject because other teams might go, Hmn, Morris, why not take him...? ------------------ [This message has been edited by ROXTXIA (edited June 10, 2001).]
Clutch, You can start by helping us decode Doc Rocket's thread. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Welcome back. Im glad your back , Jeff was making us all go crazy. Just kidding , Jeff did a great job considering the fact he had internet problems. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
T.Mo is a good backup in case Richard Jefferson isn't there at 13. ------------------ Don't look at the feet
Can you clue us in as to how Morris did in his private workout? ------------------ The truth will set you free, but first it will piss you off
In my opinion, Morris wants to play for the Rockets with Francis, and he realizes (and/or was told) he won't get picked in the first round. By not showing up in Chicago, he is hoping to not get drafted, and come here as a free agent. ------------------ I hate rice and beans!
Of course I don't know one way or the other, but isn't it possible that just because Steve & Morris are buds, that Steve might be complimenting Morris because they're friends? I mean, obviously it is VERY possible that Steve really WANTS Morris to come to Houston. But if your buddy was just getting out of college and preparing to enter the league, would YOU say anything negative about him? Because I sure can't picture Steve saying "Well, I'm not too impressed with the guy." Just something to think about, I guess. ------------------ Jazzkiller
I don't care how good of friends they are; noone in their right mind would turn down guaranteed money to play in a certain city. ------------------ how could you not want c-webb?
Morris is projected as a second rounder as of right now, so in all likelihood he won't be passing up guaranteed money. No matter if you're picked 31st or 57th in the draft, you won't be guaranteed a contract if chosen in the second round, so it is plausible that he would rather come here as a rookie free agent than be stuck on a second round team he doesn't want to be on that couldn't pay him more than the Rockets could. However, the above scenario is unlikely. I would think that the Rockets, if they do intend to pick him up, would draft him with the 23rd pick as to not disrespect him. They would probably need to do so anyways considering the fact that someone will pick him in the second round based on the potential he showed his first 2 seasons at Maryland. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 11, 2001).]
No, he can start by renaming Doc Rocket's ID to "Nostradammit". His/her cryptic messages are driving me insane! Oh, and welcome back. ------------------ "Light travels faster than sound, so some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak." -- Brian Williams (now Bison Dele) commenting on Isiah Thomas. [This message has been edited by Dr of Dunk (edited June 11, 2001).]
I think the rockets are sending out smoke screens! Why would francis come out for Morris, unless he was doing it out of friendship. Some of the lastest updates from the news medias, show Morris has fallen to the end of the 2nd round and NBA talk just took him off their mock draft (they had him about #40 last week). Unless Francis has a say in it, Rudy will do his usually thing by shocking everybody and choosing who ever he wants. As Rashard Lewis can tell you, not even a commitment from the rockets is a guarantee. So T. Morris better start praying he gets picked up by the Rockets, or he will have no guaranteed contract. I also noticed Ken Johson, has started drifting a little further down the 2nd round, has he had some bad workouts or something? ------------------
I think the rockets are sending out smoke screens! Why would francis come out for Morris, unless he was doing it out of friendship. Some of the lastest updates from the news medias, show Morris has fallen to the end of the 2nd round and NBA talk just took him off their mock draft (they had him about #40 last week). The Rockets never said anything about Morris' workout... this is Steve not the front office. And why would Steve come out for Morris? Uhh, maybe because the guy can play basketball. If you rely on the news media and mock drafts from NBAtalk to give you an accurate description of how good these players will be, I hope you're prepared to be shocked in the next couple of years. Remember, if we didn't take Mobley in the second round, he probably would not have been drafted, and in retrospect he should've been a top 5 or 6 in that draft easily. Just because the newsmedia doesn't like a guy doesn't mean he can't play. And, on Rashard-- last I heard he, not the Rockets, was the one saying they gave him a verbal commitment. The Rockets said no such thing according to the front office personnel. I don't see how you can count the words of an emotional 18 year old as being more likely to be true than those of a trained front office who has talked to draft prospects for years and years. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more! [This message has been edited by The Cat (edited June 11, 2001).]
Believe me, work ethic is not the problem with Morris, like it is with Cato. It's simply a matter of being around the right guys that can help bring out the strengths in his game. Also, regarding Cato and worries of people becoming like him, remember that the past is the past... we need to look ahead. Everyone makes mistakes. Just because Cato turned out the way he has doesn't mean we need to cross out everyone who possibly at one point might not have been motivated. Just because we drafted Turkcan doesn't mean that should stay away from Gasol and Radmanovic, in fears that they'll be the next Turkcan. Drafts are risky business, and you can never get them all right. You learn from your old mistakes, and you do get more cautious, but you don't take a position to "avoid at all costs" a particular type of player because of one mistake. If those players were available at 23, it would depend on who we had already taken in the draft. I like Morris, but for example if we commit to Jefferson as our SF at 13, we'd obviously need the big man such as Johnson unless we take one at 18. I cannot envision us keeping all 3 picks because of salary reasons and the fact that you can only have 12 men on a roster. I think one pick will be dealt for a future pick, possibly along with Cato for a player. Anyway, if you catch my drift, I don't think we end up having more than two picks in this draft. However, what we do with the later pick depends on what we do with the first one. If we draft someone like Woods, Haywood, etc. with our top pick, then I'm definitely in support of Morris with the latter pick. However, if we draft an SF such as Jefferson, I know we'd need someone such as Ken Johnson with the latter pick. I'd like to get Morris, but I'm not blind to our needs. If we've already made a commitment with the first pick to an SF, we must go big. ------------------ Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Well I agree with you on those points. I think CD will trade #23 for a current 2nd round and a future 1st round pick if they are interested in Morris. #18 is just to high for hiim, and there are many teams (like NY) that are trying to move up into the 1st round to trade. If Gaso stays in the draft, I think he will fall into our laps at #18. It was just like last year with the guy from Phoenix. He was a projected lottery, and fell all they way down the 1st round because of his overseas contract. I pray that he stays in the draft, so the rockets have a better selection of players at #13 and #18. As far as Turkan, I dont think the Rockets will make that mistake again (knock on wood), but all indications are that Radmanovic is a much better player (according to the coach of Dirk, Pasol and Radmanovic) than Gasol. I think Radmanovic would be a great pick at #18, but his stock is starting to soar after the scouts watched him in Chicago, so I doubt he would be available. ------------------
barbourdg, The above is your criteria for where a player should go in the 1st round? Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
For all of you bemoaning the decision to draft Turkan instead of Lewis, remember that the Rockets were able to trade the rights to Turkan for a future 1st round draft pick. So it's not like the guy was ever a bust for the Rockets. I'd rather bemoan the fact that the Rockets drafted Drew, an undersized 2-guard whose only claim to fame was hitting an open 3 at the end of a game during the NCAA tourney. What ever gave them the idea that this guy could be a capable 1 in the NBA? Especially considering that they could have drafted a much better (albeit not All-star caliber) point guard the year before (Jacque Vaughn) and instead took Roderick "I have no offensive skills whatsoever" Rhodes, a player who would not have been drafted otherwise. Even though both Drew and Rhodes have moved on, we did not get a decent return on these players (consdering their draft positions). That bugs me more than the Turkan pick ever will. ------------------
Mango, my point is that drafting a player whose stats only got worse staying in college, or a player that shines one day in a team workout (but does not have good career stats), is not a good way of picking players. I am talking more about mid to late 1st round. Alot of worthless players can shine for a one day workout for a team and develop into a slouch. Look at Cato. Cato shines for one NCAA tournament game, gets drafted in the lottery, few years later he hits a triple double in a preseason game, and gets a big FAT payday. Now he is a slouch. I dont think it matters, if the player is 18 or 25, as long as he is improving along the way. Maybe T. Morris will be better with Francis being the star, I have no idea - but most every year the draft is filled with busts, so what type of criteria would you use, if you were selecting? ------------------
Then R Lewis was done wrong by not being selected in the first round by the Rockets? Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. Start more Webber threads!
Rashard was hoping for Houston to get him since he was the hometown boy. Dont think that Rashard is mad at houston still. I dont know if posted it or not a while back but Rashard doesnt like GP that much because he takes alot of the shots in seattle. Rashard also would love to come back home to play with houston because thats were all his friends are. I think one day rashard could be in a Houston uni. ------------------ "Break off the block like Maurice Green" --- Steve Francis President of the Moochie Norris fan club.
