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Why do we tend to freeze yao out of the offense at times?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by gasnapalm, Apr 3, 2004.

  1. gasnapalm

    gasnapalm Member

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    It seems like theres a trend going and its happened numerous times this season, not just tonights game. We start off early with Yao and if he starts to get it going we give him a few touches and then we just stop going to him? Its like everyone wants their turns with the ball after yao gets started early. We then only give it back to him when we are in a scoring slump or when we desperatly need a basket.

    And you can't use the "well he was being double teamed everytime he touches the ball" excuse. He was being double teamed tonight but only after he recieved the ball which means he is doing his job in the inside-out offense that were "supposedly" running. If a defender comes to double him he kicks it out and it should be an open shot for somebody. With the inside-out offense working i'm not sure why we had players dribbling on the outside constantly running the clock down and turning the ball over.

    Now I could understand if Yao was shooting poorly and the guards were shooting a good % but this was just not the case tonight. I just can't understand why we would stop going to him if he is scoring or drawing the double team. Yao's the biggest mismatch in the whole league barring shaq and when the inside-out offense is working i dont know why he isn't option #1 and stays option #1
     
  2. eric426

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    Well said. Couldn't agree with you more. The inside out game needs to stay consistent. It drives me crazy to see our guards jack up shots even when Yao is fighting like mad to gain positions.
     
  3. studogg

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    I wish there was a good answer for this question.


    To me, the bigger problem, or should I say to compound the problem, is that if Yao is hurting you on the defensive side because of his poor rotation, then you better exploit him on the offensive end. I feel for VanGundy. (You have to know he is wondering the same thing)
     
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    i thought he was getting some rest. ive heard someone on the rockets say they go through periods where they try to give him a breather on the court.
     
  5. gasnapalm

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    I wish vangundy would implement some zone in his defense, zones can easily take a star player out of a game and with a 7'5 guy in the middle it would cause many problems for the opposing team. Watch the mavericks zone sometimes with bradley in the middle. It would make up for yao's poor defense rotation.
     
  6. happyricky

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    there will never be enough touches for a dominating Center who has the best shooting and court vision and passing skill. I say, when the big guy is getting his position in the low, you should pass the ball to him every single time! Well, I can live with the current situation as long as they make the playoff. Otherwise, either trade Yao or those selfish dumn-head players.
     
  7. armada

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    Trade Cat who is a real black hole. So many times he dribbled outside rather than give Yao the ball even when Yao got his position in the low tonight. It seemed he cared his stat more than win, IMHO.
    Steve is actively changing. At least he is trying to pass, although his court vision is not good enough now. The SG may suit him.
    The Rox may package Cat and Cato/MoT for a versatile PF and a true PG. Cat is a good bait, since his contract is not big.
     
  8. armada

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    Court vision is somewhat inherent, and difficult to be improved in a short time by training. So I have no sufficient faith in Steve as a PG. He may never be an excellent PG like Kidd.
    But do not trade him. He is such a talent that can be both PG and SG(maybe better). And I feel Yao and Steve trust each other more and more.
     
  9. BigCountry132

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    Cat is not the main problem with this team, he has had a good year. The problem is mr. inconisitency, steve francis.
     
  10. mbiker

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    I don’t think Yao is ready to play a zone yet. He is still prone to foul trouble. In a zone defense he would have to defend the guards driving toward the basket. With fast, little people trying to draw contact, he would not stand a chance.
     
  11. Visagial

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    I agree with you, I saw the same thing last night. We ignore him for most of the 3rd and fourth and until we finally need to score. What is that? Makes no sense to me unless they were trying to rest him but that can't be the case because he was fighting for position.

    There was a moment where they showed Yao talking to Ewing and it looked like he was saying he was open inside and they didn't pass it and then he threw his arms up.
     
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    You mean this pic?

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    .. . or he was getting hacked to hell and instead of complaining to the ref. . he complained to his coach

    Rocket River
     
  14. Yetti

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    They are not selfish dumn-heads! They just don't know how to and dont realy want to learn how to play as subordinate parts in a Team Game. For Four Years they have had their way, Rudy gave them a free hand and they won't change.To make an impression they make a 'Showing' in every game but will never stop focusing that they are the 'Stars' of the Rockets Team, even when the Stats say otherwise. Their style of play is not what is needed for the present Rockets and they should be moved on while they are worth something in exchange.
    In this upcoming off season we should be loking for a decent playmaking Point Guard, one that plays defence, A new starting Shooting Guard one that isn't a black hole.Move JJ to back up Shooting Guard. Find a new taller Small forward[possibly Mo Tay] with Nachbar as the back up.Find a new Power Forward that will realy exert a physical presence on our game . If we keep Kelvin Cato then he must only play back up Center/Power Forward, he isn't a starter on our Team. JVG should insist that no player plays on the Rockets that can't contribute on both ends of the Court. All of this should be done even IF we make the playoffs. JVG you are overplaying many of our players you need to play nine to ten players, some of the guys look burnt out already. We also need to get away from being a Gallery of New York Antiques.
     
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    and yet if he did complain to the refs, we would call him a whiner, like we call steve and cat.
     
  16. DreamWeaver

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    I don't know of any second year player who will get favorable calls from refs, not even MJ but not getting the calls is the least of Yao's problem now. He has this reputation around the league as a soft player. Until he starts to assert himself, people will continue to hack knowing that he won't retaliate.

    Just look at Karla. Do you think that any player in the league even dares to foul him hard?
     
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    I have to say I feel SF is trying to pass to yao but he just a bad passer, his pass is harder to get then others and not at good time and position. When his pass to yao==TO, he will stop to try to pass him anymore. He need to learn how to do it and they both and team need more practice.


    go rox
     
  18. hkomives

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    It seem like Yao is afraid of offensive fouls. Somebody should tell him inside the circle is big man territory, no fouls will be called no matter how hard he goes forward to the rim. In fact, last night he wacked somebody with the left arm inside the circle for the layup and no offensive was called.
     
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    the teammates didn't trust him any more after 15-3 feild goals?
    Stupid gurads!:mad:
     
  20. meh

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    Well, maybe not second year players, but did you see the "superstar calls" Melo got last night? The guy's a rookie, and not even the best rookie this year. Yet he draws the same phantom fouls MJ got in his prime.

    Yao's not getting calls that a normal player gets. He gets slapped on the hand all the time while shooting his turnarounds, yet never gets called. The viewer might think that his shot is off, but it's hard to guide the ball when your arm is being hit.
     

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