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[NY Post] The Fallacy of White Privilege

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Os Trigonum, Jul 19, 2020.

  1. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    They are disappearing. Fifth ward is either gentrified or Hispanic. The middle class flew what's left is gentrified

    No more fourth ward almost no more third ward and it's happening to fith ward

    Another issue you're behind on. Houston had a lot more black neighborhoods 30 years ago

    But it's not a big deal. There is no benefit having a black neighborhood as the world becomes more is inclusive which is the larger goal
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    The discussion on black neighborhoods is one I studied in the history of urbanism. Yes there were once vibrant black neighborhoods largely because black professionals and black generated income stayed in the neighborhood. That wasn't because they just liked sticking together it was because under segregation blacks, even successful blacks, couldn't live anywhere else. The Harlem Renaissance wasn't because blacks didn't want to move to places like Midtown or Westchester County. They weren't allowed too. As such while those neighborhoods might've been better in some ways than they are now overall black success was limited since the residents could only achieve as much as what segregation limited them to.

    The end of segregation and redlining though brought other problems. The building of the Interstate highway system meant that many of these neighborhoods were cut up and had land taken away from them to build freeways. If you look at any map of a major city and wonder why did freeways go where they went take a look at what neighborhoods were there in the 1940's.

    The next crisis to hit them were the riots in the 60's and 70's and then crack epidemic in the 80's followed by more riots. Just as these areas were starting to recover gentrification is now hurting these places and where flight of capital in the 60's to the 90's hurt incoming capital is now hurting them as long time residents and businesses are getting priced out by new arrivals.

    White privilege certainly has played a role this. Obviously segregation and redlining was purely due to racism. The locating of the freeways was because those neighborhoods were seen as the least valuable as compared to neighborhoods that also happened to be more white. Finally while gentrification is helping to integrate the neighborhoods by bringing in white people it's hurting the people who have been there all along who were stuck first because of segregation and now are being economically forced out. These people are overwhelmingly black.
     
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  3. Os Trigonum

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    just @IBTL
     
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    You are looking at things too literally and too much in a simple cause and effect stream.

    Your parents came to America because they were ambitious and even if they were poor had an incredible work ethic. That work ethic isn't genetic, i comes from how they grew up.

    Many youths in poor communities in America aren't taught to believe in themselves and are surrounded by a void of success or the structure to help them see that success. In fact many dalits in India face this issues as well - they face systematic racism of sorts belonging to the lowest class even though there are no laws in India around class. To say that Dalits don't face discrimination on a systematic level is ridiculous.

    There is bias against blacks - not just from white supremacists but from the majority of the population - both whites and blacks and other races. And the historical yoke of slavery hasn't been shed. As I mentioned there is a generational effect from slavery and being able to pick yourself up. You can't compare immigrants who come here to blacks. You'd have to compare immigrants who come here to the groups they came from.
     
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    Haha yes dear..maybe i should make my own meme about it
     
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  6. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    There was really no reason for me to say that about black neighborhoods as it really does not have anything to do with my point. It was a problem when the country was more segregated.

    Acres Homes is an interesting area as poor blacks in Houston seem to be being pushed there as rent is rising all over. Acres Homes isn't the last neighborhood for poor blacks but they are dwindling.

    Over all as integration relates to this thread black people live all over the city in areas I thought as a kid we would really never be welcomed. Areas like Pearland and Atascocita are very diverse and blacks live areas like Katy and Sugarland with no problem.

    I made a comment in a thread not to long ago that one of the changes I made while I was away from the forum that has caused some noticable changes in me is that I decided to appreciate being an American.

    Another thing I realized is that we as blacks are the ones holding onto to the past. In regards to slavery, Jim Crow, etc it is us who are burdened by moving on in terms of moving forward.

    No doubt there is still racism and I think a lot of people are just smart enough not to say stupid things. However the whole narrative that president Trump has brought out the racists was another overplayed narrative. Charlottesville was a one time thing. We film Karen's and the films go viral and people have a misconception that Karen's are a big problem when its just a video that went viral

    We are talking about systematic racism when in the end decisions on employment, loans, etc are made by people. Decisions on things like college admission can only be made to be to be fair by the rules of the institution. At the end of the way have to catch up regardless of how we got behind
     
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  7. waytookrzy079

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    Right i agree 100% Work ethic is taught and learned by example. So why are we not teaching the Black community the same? How about putting a stop to idolizing artists that rap about drugs and sex as start.

    I can't speak to India's or even Pakistan's social class cuz i'm not familiar with them.

    However, when you talk about general effects from slavery, there's an endless list of Black Americans who have been successful. I know this is just one example, but i rent my property from a hard working Black man. Guess what - he works in Corp America and owns multiple rental properties. I would argue my landlord is just one of MANY Black Americans that are thriving today in spite of their family's past - because their family's past has nothing to do with them today.

    It all comes down to this - are you going to use your family's history as an excuse to why you are where you are today? Or are you gonna wake up and realize your past or your family's past does not and should not have an affect on your future?

    As long as the black community continues to verbally punish those in their own community that try to make something of themselves, regardless of what laws or policies gets put into place specifically for them, NOTHING will change.
     

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