Yeah... and I think any of the reasonable candidates in that crowd would have had roughly the same results Trump praises himself on (economy, stock market, pre-COVID employment) without as much consternation from our allies. But there wouldn't have been as many immigration issues as we have with Trump ( which is probably what sways his base to his side)
Except whether Biden can win Texas isn't so much the issue as forcing Trump to defend what should be a sure thing. This isn't about Biden strength. It's about Trump weakness.
so if Trump got 63 million votes and "a lot" of those voters are white supremacists, what are we talking here? half of them? three-quarters of them? that's a lot of goddamned white supremacists
bad news for @NewRoxFan "Lincoln Project video editor is out over crude tweets about female anatomy": https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...s-out-over-crude-tweets-about-female-anatomy/ excerpt: A video editor who shaped the buzzy Lincoln Project ads needling President Trump is no longer affiliated with the Republican organization over a series of past tweets in which he used offensive slang for female anatomy to insult political rivals. Ben Howe, who came of age politically making anti-Obama ads during the rise of the tea party, did not publicly tout his work for the super PAC formed by a group of high-level Republican operatives who have broken ranks with the party over Trump’s presidency until a recent interview with Vanity Fair. He was described in the article as “the creative mind, video editor, and, he said, sometimes narrating voice on many of the group’s ads.” The 19th, a nonprofit news outlet, had emailed the Lincoln Project about a series of Twitter posts made by Howe in the years after Trump’s election that deployed female anatomy as an insult, calling rivals a “vagina” or “twat,” or in some instances using a more profane term. “Based on these unacceptable and offensive posts, and those that came to light last week, Ben Howe is no longer affiliated with the Lincoln Project, effective immediately,” Keith Edwards, the group’s spokesman, said in a statement. Last week, the Daily Dot resurfaced tweets from Howe that defended Darren Wilson, the police officer who fatally shot Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo. They were published by Talking Points Memo shortly after they were made in 2014 and have since been deleted. Howe said he had written “ill advised” and “inexcusable” tweets and was grateful for the work he’d been involved in. “Some people just need a tap on the shoulder to change. Others need a slap in the face. Me? I’ve often needed a piano dropped on my head. The piano fell years ago, but I suppose I’m still crawling out from under the wreckage in some ways,” he said in a statement. “I’m better than I’ve been. And I intend to be better than I am.” Howe previously worked on an anti-Trump documentary film with the Lincoln Project co-founder Rick Wilson and joined the group when it was founded late last year. “I want to be a feminist but every time I call someone a [c---] I get yelled at,” Howe wrote in a June 2018 tweet. Howe also responded to a June 2017 New York Times story about women being talked over and interrupted in the workplace by tweeting that it is “only when they won’t stop yapping about their period or whatever.” Before Trump’s election, Howe wrote that Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton’s voice “makes me want to cut my ears off with a hacksaw” but that he still found Trump so distasteful he would vote for her. Howe frequently criticized the Republican Party for helping elect a candidate who described assaulting women, referencing “Access Hollywood” footage that was published by The Washington Post before the 2016 election. Howe’s parting from the Lincoln Project comes as the group seeks to show it can pivot to influencing voters after demonstrating it was able to provoke a response from Trump, who has called the group a “disgrace to Honest Abe” and its founders “LOSERS.” The group raised $16.8 million last quarter and says it will soon expand its ground operations.
Somebody needs to figure out that Charlie Brown and Lucie are not real people and the fact that Beto was very competitive means just as much as the lost. Thou dost protest too much.
I mean.... they kind of are. The faux outrage from Republicans is hilarious. Hirono should come back on TV and state it again.... "yes.... many of Trump's supporters are White Supremacists." It's just the contextual fact that most of Trump's base certainly do not think they are white supremacists or racists. They would describe themselves as "Church Going Good People Who Love Everyone" but their politics, the way they act, and the way they talk around race says otherwise. I'm sure we've all heard the usual Trumper say something like "I'm not a racist but...." .... then something profoundly racist comes out of their mouth. Trump's brand is White Racial Grievance. White Supremecists groups like Nazis, Proud Boys, KKK, etc. want Trump to go further and do things like disown his Jewish son in law etc. but basically all of the remainder of Trump supporters certainly okay with the Nazi Lite normal MAGA racism. There's basically no real policy other than racism with Trump's admin so it's not like you can say you are in it for the polluting of our waterways, or Covid parties unless you are in it for the death cult. The only people who are not really racist or racist lite who would vote for Trump now are billionaires and other grifters who are getting something out of the Trump tradeoff. So no.... Hirono owes nobody an apology for telling the truth.
No... many of them are in my family and close friends. As I said.... they think they are good people. But yes.... they are racist. So literal Nazi's and then otherwise good people who want to think the are not racist but really are.... there's a DISTINCT difference of course but NOBODY should coddle them into believing further that they aren't racist. If you are into MAGA.... hate to break it to you..... (yep.... you a racist)
It means exactly what I think it means. That article was "protesting" that Democrats should not even try in Texas like it was a lost cause, if they actually felt that way why would they be giving advice? It would be better that Democrats waste those resources right?
Also Hillary's "deplorables" comment shouldn't have been something she had to apologize for. It's completely accurate. There's a pretty large basket with ALOT of deplorable people who support Trump. Many went to jail or were convicted and got off by Trump & Bill Barr throwing the rule of law out the window. There's grifting galore with people like Scott Pruitt living the high life on the tax payer dime. There's Stephen Miller an open racist writing Trump's speeches, and his racist immigration policy. There's lobbyist galore infecting the White House. There's Trumps kids grifting off of our government such as Ivanka getting a large amount of patents from China during trade negotiations. There's his Alt Right supporters who led chants in Charlottesville chanting "Jews will Not Replace us". There is Jeffrey Epstein and Alan Dershowitz who pal around or palled around with Trump at Mar aLago in their free time. Then there's Trump's biggest supporter of all Vladamir Putin. Maybe the most deplorable of them all who is a literal murderer who poisons journalists, and jails his political rivals. Etc. etc. etc. Great company in the MAGA klan. Yes.... that's a pretty large basket... and yes.... these people are deplorable. The "Deplorables" backlash was always faux outrage from Trump hardcore supporters who just couldn't handle the truth, and feel like their parties ugly backers and racist politics should be looked over and their racist feelings should be coddled.
Close but I think you have another subset of the MAGA group - those that care about money above all else. And what they don't see or care is that Trump is bankrupting this country in the long term with his choices. He want's to be known as the best president for the economy but our poor (literally) kids...
I will gently disagree here--as someone who didn't vote for either Hillary or Trump, I was and still am offended by any such prejudiced stereotyping that such a term implies, in part because I do not believe all 63 million Trump voters were "deplorable." Thought experiment: If Joe Biden were to use the phrase "basket of Negroes" to describe the in-the-bag black supporters that he simply assumes must be voting for him (as in "if you ain't a Biden voter you ain't black"), would that phrasing not be offensive at least to some people who hear such a use of that phrase?
To be fair, Hillary's quote was that "half" of Trump's supporters were deplorables. Not saying that she should have said that, but the quote did get twisted and the "half" part has been left out quite a bit. https://time.com/4486502/hillary-clinton-basket-of-deplorables-transcript/ “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
that's a fair point. But on the question above about what percentage of the 63 million Trump voters are in fact white supremacists, no one has offered an estimate besides "a lot."
Honestly, I'm not sure anyone really knows. There's no way to track individuals...the Southern Poverty Law center counted 155 active White Supremacist groups last year, but didn't offer up how many members the groups had: https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/03/18/year-hate-and-extremism-2019 Beyond that, I think the closest anyone tried to pinpoint was after the Charlottesville riots: https://www.factcheck.org/2019/03/the-facts-on-white-nationalism/ In an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken just after the Charlottesville rally in August 2017, 9 percent of the respondents said they thought it was strongly or somewhat acceptable to hold neo–Nazi or white supremacist views. As ABC News reported at the time, that’s equivalent to about 22 million Americans. Obviously, there are many problems with that number, 1) it's one poll and 2) we don't know how many of that 9% were actual white supremacists, answered because they wanted to be contrarian, or just believe in free speech across the board. Then we get into the whole definition of white supremacy. According to the dictionary (I sound like a junior high kid giving a speech), a white supremacist is someone who believes that the white race is superior and that they should have control over all other races. I know that regular racists and people with some racist feelings are lumped into the white supremacist categories, but I would imagine many of them don't really want to enslave minorities again. Then again, I'm assuming a lot here since I'm not a white supremacist myself. My estimate (and this is a complete guess), at most, there's probably about 250,000 actual, by the definition, white supremacists in the United States. My estimate (and this is also a guess) is that probably 45-60% of Trump's base harbors some kind of "racist" ideals towards minorities in some way, but they aren't white supremacists and they don't like being told that they're racist. The rest may have a non-purposeful racist thought or action from time to time, but probably have more in common with the majority of the left, and they also don't like being lumped in with the dregs of Trump's base...however, they also are very anti-Democrat and anti-liberal, so they stay Republican. That's the best I can do. As a politician, especially in the environment we had in 2016, and coming from Hillary, she shouldn't have made the "deplorables" comment. However, if Biden made that same comment today, I don't think he'd lose much support.
Completely different scenario. Yes it would be offensive but it's not nearly the same since the fact is ... MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN is Donald Trump's slogan, and it's clearly a racist dog whistle. His entire policy proposal is about white racial grievance politics. That's pretty much it. Do you honestly think in October Trump will be talking about Infrastructure, middle class tax cuts, or lowering the deficit??.... Hell no... we know and I know you know.... IT'LL BE ABOUT RACE. "Caravan coming to get you"...."scary rioters coming to raid your grocery store".... "Immigration MUST BE stopped from Sh$thole countries".... This is MAGA, and yes... it's racist. Totally different than if Biden MAJORLY slipped up and said something offensive about Black people. Biden's infrastructure plan he just announced wasn't black racial grievance politics. His buy American speech wasn't on brand racism. Expanding ACA with a Public Option isn't racial grievance politics. MAGA is a brand that is based in racial grievance or just straight up KKK lite racism. There's no escaping that fact. Now are all Trump supporters hood wearing Klan Members? No.. as I said there is important context around describing normal Trump supporters. But if you are anyone in between David Duke and my 80 year old Grandma, you are kind of a racist even if you don't think you are on the lighter end, and are otherwise a great person. MAGA isn't one size fits all. It's scale able to a certain degree... but if you are in the basket... you're in the basket regardless of what end of the sliding scale you fall under.
just have to say the 'junior high kid' phrasing made me smile I think that seems like a reasonable number and likely in the range of "reality." This is perhaps the harder thing to get a handle on. While I agree with you that there's a nonzero probability that the number of Trump's supporters that has "some kind of 'racist' ideals" lies between 45% and 60% of the total, I just don't know how likely that is. There's also the issue of separating out or distinguishing Trump's "base" from the total number of Trump voters. If he had 63 million votes, what is the number below that which constitutes his base? Is his base 30 million hard-core supporters? 40 million hard-core supporters? this is a serious question, I just don't have the faintest clue of how large his "base" is. And if I were going to peg the percentage of Trump voters (meaning out of 63 million voters) who "harbor some kind of 'racist' ideals towards minorities in some way," I'm going to put the percentage a bit lower--perhaps 25 to 35%?? I don't know, maybe it is higher. But I think a lot of Trump votes were simply (a) Hillary haters or (b) people who simply wanted to shake up the system. I think the racial "dogwhistling" that Dems sometimes accuse Trump of doing is aimed at a fairly low number of people (but important to Trump for political reasons). on that last part, I think you're right. But Biden is perceived as liking everyone, whereas Hillary was perceived as a cynical and mean-spirited political opportunist who for example put down "bimbo eruptions" with an iron fist.
