My father is very much the same except he’s a college grad. We never talk politics. When we do it always ends badly.
People have spoken of mythical secret Trump voters for years. Where are these people hiding? Being an obnoxious MAGAtist precludes a lot of secrecy to me. You don't find @bigtexxx and @Os Trigonum ever lying about who they secretly support. They certainly weren't around on 2018. And anonymous internet polls never find them now. But they must be there, somewhere, in deep cover, secretly waiting to secretly rise up against the secret deep state.
I replied in haste. My father is in pretty good health and absolutely is not a racist. And he’s from Galveston. It’s really only the diehard Trump stuff and how nothing but nothing can shake him on that
Everything is fine...bring me the statues... They Can’t Stomach Trump. They’re Sufficiently Comfortable With Biden. Some voters who disliked both nominees in 2016 chose a third-party candidate instead. Now, many of them are shunning President Trump and are ready to back Joe Biden. By Katie Glueck In Florida in 2016, J.C. Planas, a former Republican state representative, was uncomfortable with Hillary Clinton but detested Donald Trump, so he wrote in former Gov. Jeb Bush for president. In New Hampshire that year, Peter J. Spaulding, a longtime Republican official, supported the Libertarian ticket. And in Arizona, Lorena Burns, 56, also voted third party, seeing the choice between Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton as a contest between “two bads.” “I didn’t want to be responsible for either,” she said. This year, all three of them intend to diverge from their Republican leanings and vote for former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., the presumptive Democratic nominee. They are among an emerging group of voters who disliked both major-party presidential nominees in 2016, but who are now so disillusioned with President Trump — and sufficiently comfortable with Mr. Biden — that they are increasingly willing to support the Democrat. Mr. Biden has an overwhelming advantage over Mr. Trump among voters who have unfavorable views of both candidates — a cohort that ultimately broke in Mr. Trump’s favor in 2016, exit polls showed. Ms. Burns of Guadalupe, Ariz., said she recently made her first political donation, to the Democratic National Committee. She said she agreed with many of Mr. Trump’s policies, but was turned off by his behavior. “Just the lying, just the craziness, the bullying — I’d rather pay more money than be with him for another four years,” she said. “I’m willing to pay more money in taxes just to be away from him. He’s corrupting the country.” (see the rest at the link) As all moderate Democrats do, please take a photo of your ballot for cover. You can find jpegs online if necessary.
My mother-in-law, father-in-law, brother-in-law, and sister-in-law are all trump supporters. The BIL and SIL are QAnons too. Every time they visit they bring up some ridiculous thing up (the BIL and SIL believe COVID-19 is a hoax).
"Words to Ponder": http://theglitteringeye.com/words-to-ponder/ Words To Ponder by Dave Schuler I think that this passage in Holman Jenkins’s latest Wall Street Journal column are worthy of consideration: So we return to a signature astonishment of our age. After almost four years in office, Mr. Trump has not managed to damage his own reputation (as any libel lawyer will tell you, he had no reputation to damage). He has done less damage to his office than you might think for the simple and obvious reason that people distinguish Mr. Trump from his office. Seemingly effortlessly, though, he has incited people and institutions that do have something to lose to wreck their own reputations: The FBI, CNN, our universities, etc. Tens of millions of voters who plan to vote against Mr. Trump in the fall hardly need Post lies to give them more reason to do so. But millions of others will vote for Mr. Trump, or consider voting for him, exactly because the Washington Post lies about him. Their wavering support at this point in his ill-starred presidency is sustained only by the deranged dishonesty of his opponents. Anyone who does not recognize that Donald Trump is a schmuck is, in the immortal words of Harold Hill, merely closing your eyes to a situation that you do not wish to acknowledge. However, the last five years have revealed beyond reasonable doubt that the editors of the NYT, WaPo, and CNN, many pundits, as well as practically all politicians are schmucks, too.
And they, like Rasmussen, are the *only* outliers. Trump rates 5+ points higher in their polls than in any others.
Your post got my attention. So did that of @Batman Jones. I know some older supporters of trump who would slide into both your Dad's political slot and that of Batman's father. I grew up with some guys that are trump fans. Whenever I read this sort of generational comparison about someone's parents and their politics, it reminds me of how lucky I am. My late parents came of age during the depths of the Depression and were married before the start of WWII. Dad graduated at the top of his high school class, but had no hope of going to college. Smart young women like my mother simply never considered it, not back then and not in Houston, Texas. When WWII began, Dad was working as a guard on a mail plane out of what later became Hobby Airport, wearing a leather jacket, which I still have, and carrying under the jacket a pistol in a shoulder holster. There are funny stories about that job and what happened the day of Pearl Harbor, which became like a scene out of the film 1941 at Hobby, but they aren't political. Anyway, FDR and the war changed the lives of my parents. They became Democrats, thanks to FDR, and Dad was able to go to college on the GI Bill, thanks to the Navy. He eventually became a department chair and hired one of the first two Black members of the faculty at his university. Luck plays it's role with your parents. Dad was influenced by something that happened during the war that cemented his feelings about politics and he never changed them. My parents certainly influenced me, as did my experiences during the '60's. Both of our kids are liberal independents who usually vote Democratic, so I guess we've accomplished something. I wonder how this pandemic with it's uncertain end, assuming it ends, will influence kids and future parents. Damned if I know. ""
Such an inspiring message for America... in the midst of thousands and thousands of American deaths and social unrest, here are rich people with boats, flouting social distancing to support trump...
My mother in law found out yesterday she’s positive and my father in law is pissed because he thinks she just has allergies and the tests are loaded for fake positive results. We asked if they were going to quarantine and they said no they are sitting by the pool with their Neigbors having a beer. My father in law just had a quadruple bypass less than a year ago and in his late 60’s. This is what we are dealing with folks.
Sorry to learn of your MIL and FIL and hopefully they will recover and approach this more seriously and appropriately. My wife just learned her cousin in Portland and her husband (both work as guards in a prison) both came down with COVID-19 as did another cousin's husband in Southern California. Her cousin in Portand is a perfectly healthy woman in her twenties, her cousin's husband in SoCal is in his late forties.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/09/biden-proposes-a-700-billion-plus-buy-american-campaign.html This should effectively end Trump's chances by capturing most all of the independents that Clinton lost in 2016. Don't be surprised if Trump calls it quits before the election. I don't think he will be able to swallow the humiliation of an historic landslide.
