No, he has to wait until he’s in imminent danger. If the driver was reaching for the gun then imminent danger may well have been established in that moment but the driver running away does not establish imminent danger. The cops did everything fine until he shot the guy in the back while he was running away.
The offender wanted to have his cheeseburger and eat it too. Boss man was give him three squares a day but offender decided he was too good for squares plus bunk!
I watched all the videos available. My argument is not that he deserved to die, that is silly. I said he placed the cop in a difficult situation by taking a weapon and using it on an officer. I hope you can understand the change in element of the situation, the officer cannot just let this guy run away. He was going to pursue, now what risk elements have been raised in his last encounter with this guy. Ask yourself what you would have done? So what, the cops let people get away with this kind of behavior so people don't riot. Criminals will love your new approach....
So them dudes were trying to choke em and still got their asses kicked. What will cops do when they can not use the choke?
So let all criminals run away......or if you do pursue, let the guy who manhandled you go for your gun and then only then should you think of taking lethal action. Sign me up for this job!!!!
This is just a false argument. You are free to arrest the guy just don't kill him. Is that too much to ask?
Oh Jesus Christ. He wasn't going to "get away with this kind of behavior". They knew who the hell he was, they had his ******* car and probably his ID. He was going to jail for DUI and he was going to be charged with resisting arrest and probably assault. That wasn't enough though so dumbass Joe Cop had to shoot him in the damn back. That cop is a god damn moron and should be in prison for 20 years. A cop's job is to enforce the law, not teach the bad guys a lesson by shooting them in the back. You seriously need a life check.
He uses deadly force when he's in imminent danger of death or serious bodily injury. Every cop is trained on when they can use deadly force. If they're unable to evaluate situations and properly make that judgement then they shouldn't be cops. That's part of the whole discussion we're having about police. People who should not be police wrecking havoc on a population.
Yeah, I just can’t see a good reason to shoot a fleeing perp in the back unless the perp is wanted for murder. There’s no hiding in this century.
So the cop enforces the law by allowing the criminal to run away because they have the id and vehicle of the suspect. Nice message to all criminals. Just use physical force and run, just don't go for the gun.....freeeedom!!!! Sounds nuts to me.
I kind of get where you're coming from, but don't see the solution as shooting someone in the back. And freedom would be temporary either way. And again, I'm for the implementation of an official national standardized use-of-deadly-force YouTube library that depicts every situation. I think this situation is the give chase and tackle/give the beat down bc the suspect has been deemed unarmed. Shooting the perp in the back probably felt good for the dude after he got his taser jacked and got shot at with it, but that's bad public policy if killing the perp from behind standard procedure - and seemslike it isn't the policy. There has to be a better solution.
This was a case of death by cheeseburger. The dude was gonna order a double baconator except they called cops and rest is history!
I don't think shooting someone running away should be standard procedure... I would not defend that . This scenario had the person fight two officers off him and also grabbing an officers weapon. That is a highly dangerous individual for someone who wants to go home to their significant other/children. The cops want to do their job of capturing the criminal but also wants to be safe. He deemed the suspect too dangerous to go after, thus shooting him seemed like a reasonable option. I don't think it was the right decision but I do believe that cops have that decision to make and it's a difficult one to make given the inherent risk of the job. People should respect the rule of law and not test it, because things like what happened can happen when you are interacting violently with someone with a deadly weapon.
I agree that it was an intense and difficult situation. The cop probably shouldn't be a cop for 2 fold: losing his taser to a perp in a struggle and then shooting the perp in the back. I don't know if what he did was murder/manslaughter/some sort of negligent homicide or perhaps even legally defensible...I just don't think he should be a cop. Obviously, people should respect the law, and I'm sure most of police interactions are fine - we're discussing what to do in these difficult situations when things aren't going as planned. And not to derail the thread, but this video has always bothered me a bit. It's like a real-life Cletus family from the Simpsons. It's a bunch of slack jawed idiots who live in Walmart parking lots and play the banjo or something, but they finally got the cops called on them and you can hear the "when keeping it real goes wrong" voice-over, or maybe "when keeping it trailer park goes wrong." Fists fly and an idiot ends up dead. A cop got shot, every cop action was justified, but it's like, is there a way to not kill these idiots or was it impossible because they were idiots ready to fight? I think it's just hard to be a really good cop all the time. You're scrutinized the most closely in those high-pressure moments, but you don't know if you're a great cop in high pressure moments until those tests happen in real life.
more info about the Molotov cocktail-throwing sisters who were arrested and charged during the NYC protests/riots: "Shader Reportedly Blamed Black Man For Molotov Cocktail Rather Than Her White Co-Conspirator": https://jonathanturley.org/2020/07/...ocktail-rather-than-her-white-co-conspirator/
well better late than never https://www.startribune.com/body-fo...g-george-floyd-unrest/571838681/?refresh=true Body found in wreckage of pawnshop burned during George Floyd unrest Tip led to search, months after building was set ablaze during riots. By Libor Jany Star Tribune JULY 21, 2020 — 5:40AM Authorities found the charred body of a man in the wreckage of a south Minneapolis pawnshop, nearly two months after the building was torched in the rioting that followed George Floyd’s death. Investigators from the Minneapolis Police Department, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and the state fire marshal’s division were acting on a tip when they discovered the body Monday morning in the rubble of Max It Pawn, at 2726 E. Lake St., according to Police Department spokesman John Elder. “The body appears to have suffered thermal injury and we do have somebody charged with setting fire to that place,” said Elder, adding that city homicide detectives had taken over the investigation. He said that the victim’s identity would be released by medical examiners after an autopsy is completed, along with the precise cause and manner of death. The site is several blocks east of the shuttered Third Precinct police station, the epicenter of the protests that broke out after Floyd’s death May 25 under the knee of a since-fired city police officer. That officer, Derek Chauvin, is charged with second-degree murder and manslaughter, and three other officers at the scene, J. Alexander Kueng, Thomas Lane and Tou Thao, are charged with aiding and abetting Chauvin. Details about the circumstances and timeline of the case remained hazy Monday, but a police news release suggested that the man died in the blaze that destroyed the building on May 28. A 25-year-old Rochester man, Montez Terrill Lee, was federally charged last month with arson in connection with the fire. According to the criminal complaint against Lee, ATF investigators received video from an anonymous source of an arson that occurred at the pawnshop. In the first clip, a masked man, later identified as Lee, is seen pouring liquid from a metal container throughout the pawnshop. A second video shows Lee standing in front of the burning pawnshop saying “[Expletive] this place. We’re gonna burn this [expletive] down.” Ashlee Sherrill, a spokesperson for the ATF, said that she couldn’t comment on what remained an open case. The agency has opened dozens of arson investigations into incidents that occurred during the unrest. “The ATF is continuing to work these arson investigations across the Twin Cities and following up on these leads as they become available,” she said. Several days after that fire, firefighters scoured the remains of a nearby liquor store after witnesses reported that someone inside hadn’t made it out when the building was torched. But their search didn’t turn up anything. It wasn’t clear whether the two reports are connected, as the apparently missing man from the liquor store was never identified publicly. If the death is ruled a homicide, it would the city’s 36th of the year — compared with 18 at this time last year. It would also be at least the second fatality connected to the riots. In the first, John Rieple, 59, the owner of Cadillac Pawn at 1538 E. Lake St., was arrested after shooting and killing a man outside of his business, but was later released. No charges have been filed. Relatives of the victim, Calvin “Chuck” Horton Jr., 43, has cast doubt on the initial account that Horton was killed while looting the store.
