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Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants (Louisiana)

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Murdock, Mar 28, 2004.

  1. Murdock

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    Court Opens Door To Searches Without Warrants

    POSTED: 3:55 pm CST March 26, 2004
    UPDATED: 4:36 pm CST March 26, 2004

    NEW ORLEANS -- It's a groundbreaking court decision that legal experts say will affect everyone: Police officers in Louisiana no longer need a search or arrest warrant to conduct a brief search of your home or business.

    Leaders in law enforcement say it will provide safety to officers, but others argue it's a privilege that could be abused.

    The decision was made by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals. Two dissenting judges called it the "road to Hell."

    The ruiling stems from a lawsuit filed in Denham Springs in 2000.

    New Orleans Police Department spokesman Capt. Marlon Defillo said the new power will go into effect immediately and won't be abused.

    "We have to have a legitimate problem to be there in the first place, and if we don't, we can't conduct the search," Defillo said.

    But former U.S. Attorney Julian Murray has big problems with the ruling.

    "I think it goes way too far," Murray said, noting that the searches can be performed if an officer fears for his safety -- a subjective condition.

    Defillo said he doesn't envision any problems in New Orleans, but if there are, they will be handled.

    "There are checks and balances to make sure the criminal justce system works in an effective manor," Defillo said.

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  2. thadeus

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    Just to add to Murdock's post....(emphasis is mine)

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2470156

    March 27, 2004, 1:01PM



    5th Circuit gives police new power in searches
    Warrant unneeded in some instances
    Associated Press
    NEW ORLEANS -- A federal appeals court has opened the door for police in Texas and two other states to search residences and buildings for evidence without a warrant -- a ruling strongly criticized by two dissenting justices.

    The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled police do not need an arrest or search warrant to conduct a swift sweep of private property to ensure their safety.

    Evidence found in that search is admissible if the search is a "cursory inspection" and if police entered for a legitimate purpose and believed it may be dangerous.

    The 11-4 ruling affects Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi and replaces a standard set in 1994, when the 5th Circuit held that police can make a so-called protective sweep only if officers are there to arrest someone. In the majority opinion, Judge William Lockhart Garwood wrote that any in-home encounter poses a risk to police officers, even if it is simply to interview someone.

    Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt wasn't available for comment, department spokeswoman Sandra Aponte said.

    The opinion noted that a similar standard has been adopted by four other federal circuit courts of appeals.

    The American Civil Liberties Union called the decision dangerous.

    "This decision is the latest rollback of safeguards to protect the people from being at the mercy of a police state," said Joe Cook, executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana. "Allowing law enforcement to search homes without probable cause or any warrant makes a dramatic and dangerous departure from one of our most fundamental American freedoms."

    The decision came in the case of Kelly Donald Gould, a Denham Springs, La., man arrested in October 2000 on federal gun charges and accused of threatening to kill judges and police.

    Deputies went to Gould's trailer with no warrant but were invited in by another resident, who told them Gould was in the bedroom.

    Because of the threats and Gould's criminal history, the deputies said, they looked for him under the bed and in two closets, where they found three rifles. They later found Gould in the woods and seized the weapons after they got him to sign a permission for the search.

    U.S. District Judge James Brady ruled the guns could not be evidence because they were obtained illegally. A three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit upheld that decision but told prosecutors to request a hearing before the court to reconsider the precedent on which it was based.

    Dissenters said the ruling makes an exception to constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure.

    "I have no doubt that the deputy sheriffs believed they were acting reasonably and with good intentions," Judges Harold DeMoss Jr. and Carl E. Stewart wrote. "But the old adage warns us that `The road to hell is paved with good intentions.' "

    U.S. Attorney David Dugas of Baton Rouge said the case illustrates the "difficult situations" officers often face.

    "They're expected to make split-second decisions in potentially dangerous situations involving constitutional issues that the courts and legal scholars can spend years debating," Dugas said.

    But Mike Walsh, a defense attorney, said the 5th Circuit decision "grossly expands" the definition of lawful searches and erodes constitutional rights.

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    (I'm more afraid of unfettered police/federal agents than I am of terrorists and drug addicts - because I can fight back against terrorists and drug addicts. Is it just me?)
     
  3. GreenVegan76

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    They try that crap here, and my foot will search their ass.
     
  4. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    Ugh....too far to the right...may be time to vote in a lefty.

    DD
     
  5. GladiatoRowdy

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    I am also more afraid of unfettered police than terrorists as well, mostly because I am FAR more likely to encounter them than I ma to suffer from a terrorist attack.

    Personally, I am not afraid of drug addicts at all as it is prohibition that causes the most harm under the drug policy we have today. You wouldn't have to fight against drug addicts at all in a regulated market.

    Sorry for the aside....please continue.
     
  6. MadMax

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    bobsled


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  7. bamaslammer

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    This is a horrific decision that I think is a very ugly slippery slope. I am disheartened by this decision and think that this sets a dangerous precedent. GV76, that's why the 2nd Amendment is such a great thing, to protect people against an oppressive govt.
     
  8. rhadamanthus

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    Your post made me chuckle.

    I immediately thought of my relatives in Europe, who are totally confused by the U.S. presidential race.

    We have to choose between a right-winger and a very-right-winger.

    Sadly true...
     
  9. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    This seems dangerously close to treading on the fourth amendment. I would prefer a streamlining of the warrant process to eliminating the means to make sure searches are reasonable.
     

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