Old Europe is abandoning Trump on the world stage as it turns away from the US toward China

Let em roll with China and wish them luck.

 

I don't dispute the turn away from the US part due to thetthe national abdication and disgrace on COVID19 but the "towards China" part is pretty flimsily based on a single poll in Germany I gather.

I forget but there was another article on sentiment going against China after a really ham fisted Russian style pro China internet disinformation ring was exposed last month.

 

They have turned towards China for the past 20 years and look what happened to them during this pandemic? Euro countries with deep ties to China suffered the most losses. In actually, most of them are reassessing their relationships with China and realizing their blunders.

 

I think this speaks more to how bad and how adversarial Trump has been as President then anything in regards to actual preference. Poll European countries on preference of Biden as President vs. Xi as President of China and you'll get drastically different results.

And this is by design by Trump. His brand to his cult is one of purpose aggression towards our allies to prove he's a tough guy who will stand up to the secret society elites who use chemtrails to drug us, have underground child sex rings, and worship satan. Its a reality TV show designed to drive a wedge between us and Europe..... and President Xi couldn't be happier to see this side show.

Trump fans here that are always angry about China China China... you do realize that Trump is the best thing that ever happened to Xi's Communist Regime in China dont you? You aren't that stupid are you? He purposefully is adversarial to our allies in Europe which drives them to rely more and more on China.

 

Trump has started the American decline

 

China isn't run by an idiot like the US president. Elections have consequences. Your vote has consequences. When you vote for a fool. you get bad outcomes.

 

Why would that be good in any way for the United States? Do you care about the United States having a leadership role anymore or no?

 

Hmmm....more praise for China???

 

No lol this country has been declining since the 70s

Thanks Nixon.

 

I'm pretty sure any turn towards the PRC in the EU has less to do with good feelings but more with economic interests at a time when the US is fighting them on trade.

Also note while their is anger in many countries over COVID-19 the PRC has been on a bit of a charm offensive. They've sent medical aid and experts to Italy and Spain and have pledged to donate more money to WHO.

 

And the US fighting them on trade is also a direct result of Trump. Trump has handled both fronts poorly. He screwed the pooch on trade and is lost as can be on the Covid19. He doesn't care because he's trying to save his 2020 chances. But he screwed himself over on that too, by 1. Disbanding the Pandemic Response office and 2. Sucking in dealing with it, being honest, and connecting with Americans at a time when they look to leadership fo the connection.

 

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The nazi element in Trump government is just too obvious these days. Europeans are still sensitive on that front.

 

Well Trump has done everything in his power to alienate Europe. And it worked. We Don 't like him and Don 't trust him and think he is an idiot.

 

The US, especially this Administration, has a profound misunderstanding of how to deal with the PRC or even with the Chinese mindset. The way to deal with the PRC isn't with direct confrontation but through working multilaterally. Direct confrontation hardens nationalist attitudes within the country and because of the importance of saving face in Chinese culture is less likely for them to back down. If it is multilateral action that sends them the message that this isn't just the Americans coming after them because the US is insecure about it's position in the World but that it really is the CCP regime itself that is behaving badly and if they want to be taken seriously as a World Leader they need to change.

Also as many people note the PRC is playing a long game. It is relying primarily on soft power and using economic incentives to build up support and alliances. That is how we should be dealing with them on those grounds too.

This very well may be a new Cold War but it can't be fought like we did the previous one. If we look at this as an ideological conflict of the Free World versus the Evil Commies that isn't really the nature of it. "The Evil Commies" understand and use the tools of Capitalism and we're not in a world where most countries will just follow the US for ideological reasons. This also isn't a war of attrition or one where one country will be wiped out or soundly defeated. While we want to control and check the PRC we will have to live with them as we're already too interconnected economically and with the rest of the World to wipe each other out.