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ProPublica: Two Coasts. One Virus

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by basso, May 17, 2020.

  1. basso

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    both deep blue states, with democrat governors and mayors of major cities. the article paints a damning picture of Cuomo's, and particularly de Blasio's, actions (or inaction) in contrast to Newsom and Breed in CA.

    https://www.propublica.org/article/...y-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california

    How New York Suffered Nearly 10 Times the Number of Deaths as California.
    California’s governor and San Francisco’s mayor worked together to act early in confronting the COVID threat. For Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio, it was a different story, and 27,000 New Yorkers have died so far.
     
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    NYC has 3 airports and one of the most packed grids in the world. Cabs, Ubers, subways, regional rail networks, office spaces, apts, restaurants, venues - you are constantly around people in closed confines especially in the winter.

    Of course it's going to be ground zero for any virus outbreak. It's ridiculous to somehow expect anything else.
     
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    The difference in death is the result of Governor Cuomo's unbelievably incompetent management of the virus. NY allowing the subways to run, not cleaning them until the 3 month mark(!), and sending COVID-positive patients into nursing homes were all decisions that added substantially to the death count. Telling people to lockdown in their homes, when many of those homes were shared by elderly parents and grandparents, was sheer stupidity. Just like in Italy, it added to the spread. Almost every decision Cuomo made was the OPPOSITE of what could have helped.
     
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    They acted too late (partly because they were blind to the # of cases which is mainly due to a fed government that failed to test the public for covid19; and partly because they were concern about the economy). Acting early counts. Just like the Trump admin acted too late to close borders. Acted too late to get testing in place. Acted too late to get PPE in place. Never acted at all on the pandemic war plan. Calling it a hoax and saying it will just vanish. Never take responsibility. And so on.
     
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    you may not have read the article. it's exactly because it was so predictable that the delays, and infighting are so inexcusable.
     
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    Cali has the same federal government to deal with. they didn't wait for tests. that one of the points of the article (which you may not have read).
     
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    De Blasio sucks. I never liked him and didn't vote for him when I was a NYer.

    But I am not sure how much NY could have done to "stop" it. Yes closing schools earlier would have been wise. But then again that puts a huge hardship on single mothers. Biggest thing would have been getting the medical system ready.

    There's definitely blame to go around - Trump, de Blasio, and Cuomo all made mistakes.
     
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    If you feel like this about New York’s response you must be super pissed at Trumps response since he was way more incompetent than New York. Just sayin, if you are consistent, and open minded.
     
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    Yes, and they *blindly* acted sooner than NY. If we had test data, each states would acts more surgical in locking down. Because we didn't, some acts too late while others acts too early. A few were lucky enough to get it just about right. We could have a scalpels instead, but we couldn't due to a lack of testing.
     
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    NYC area is conetrated over a smaller area while LA area is more spread out.. Stop governors for this disadvantage... Proximity is a b****.
     
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    It was nuts when sf first declared a state of emergency. Orange county and San Diego followed afterwards.

    People were getting sick all over the map and there were rumblings from Washington State of how bad it could be.

    West Coast was proactive because of the number of Asians concentrated all over the place. Not sure if Chinese were gobbling up real estate in the tri-state area as crazy as they were in the West....
     
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    London Breed is mayor of SF, not LA. perhaps you didn't read the article.
     
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    I'm not saying NY shouldn't have reacted sooner or have been better prepared, but there was an article a week or two ago about this difference perhaps having more to do with the differing strains of the virus. Now that could turn out not to be the case, but to draw any conclusions one way or another at this point would be a mistake IMO.

    When it's all said and done some states will likely get off lightly (or appear to), not so much because of what they did, but because they simply caught some breaks along the way. (We may never know exactly why that's the case, either.) Ultimately the buck stops with the WH and the federal government.

    I don't know why I type this. If you're still defending the WH's response you're a lost cause who hasn't paid attention.

    And blaming people for locking down in their homes... lol.
     
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    oh and you thought they were scared of aoc?

    Lol when it comes to cuomo the fear is palpable...the dude hasnt even run and we all already see right through it let the hit pieces come.. He will be president one day count it.. cant wait

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    Bay Area is less dense and sprawled out when compared to any NYC.
     
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    SF, of which she’s mayor, is the 2nd densest city in the nation.
     

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