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[Jordan/Bulls Documentary] 'The Last Dance'

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by J.R., Apr 16, 2020.

  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    Drexler also has been in the finals twice before going to Houston...
     
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  2. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard

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    I bet Magic, James, and Kareem were doing that stuff... but Stern protected them.
     
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    Magic was confirmed to have numerous unprotected intercourse, drugs are not far off.

    Rest is all history.
     
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    If you have no regard for the health of your own penis, I doubt you'd give a **** about some extra brain cells lol
     
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    One of Jordan's biggest PR coups has been convincing everyone outside of Houston and Orlando that he wasn't himself during the 1995 playoffs and that's why the Bulls lost to the Magic. Yes, he was probably rusty against Orlando. But what did Jordan's "rust" look like in that series?
    • 31 PPG on 48% shooting
    • 31/7/4 series average
    • 15 steals (team high)
    • 11 blocks (team high)
    So, he was pretty damn good. Anything else is revisionist history that Jordan himself is happy to oblige since it plays into the narrative that he could've won 8 straight titles if he hadn't retired in 1993.
     
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    So could Bulls beat Rockets if Jordan played? I say no.
     
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    Very good documentary, showing the good the bad and the ugly side of winning...Again, I respect what he did and why he did what he did, as he was just on another level and wanted to win....

    The Rockets in their prime were bad ass, tough series, but I think Rockets would've won one, and lost one against MJ...We beat a very good NY team and swept a solid Orlando that trounced the Bulls...

    I can't believe there are 2 episodes left...
     
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    He really wasn't himself. Mentally, he wasn't there and it showed in several clutch situations during that series. It wasn't just the missed shots late, that can happen, but he made a lot of bad decisions. That never happened.

    Still, even if his mind was as sharp as it needed to be and they get through the East, they wouldn't have beat the Rockets. A bigger factor in the Bulls losing against the Magic is that they just weren't that good. They were a basic .500 team before Jordan returned.

    The Rockets had some serious talent. Robert Horry, Kenny Smith, Sam Cassell, and Mario Elie around Hakeem and Drexler is no joke. Hakeem was also simply better than that Jordan. He was clearly the best player in the league and beat all of the other contenders for that title in that year's playoffs.
     
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    Some fans might not believe it but the documentary came up with following reason: Jordan still had the body of a pitcher, and it would have taken a whole offseason to transform his muscles back to a basketballer, different muscle type needed for different sports.

    Tim Grover at it.
     
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    It's possible that Jordan's physique had an effect on the mental aspect of his game, but even if he was at his peak, that would not have helped the Bulls makeup the disparity in talent with the rest of the NBA's contenders. The Rockets were the best team that year and they beat all the other contenders put in their path.
     
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    True, they had some holes, no Horace, no rebounding 4 as Rodman arrived next season.
     
  12. RKREBORN

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    But he wasn't a pitcher
     
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    I don't watch that sport, maybe outfielder and hitter.
     
  14. Supermac34

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    This is my take away after I look past the hype of The Last Dance:

    1. Jordan/Bulls wouldn't have won in 1994. He was mentally and physically exhausted after their first 3 peat. His Dad then gets murdered. Even if he plays: I don't think they get past Indiana or New York in 1994 anyways.
    2. Jordan plays up the "out of shape" narrative for 1995, but I watched those games live. He got beat by a better Magic team. They hadn't replaced Horace Grant yet.
    3. Even though Jordan laughed at him (sort of being a dick), Payton did a number on him in the Finals.
    4. I like Scottie Pippen even less. He quit on his team and he said he'd do it again.
     
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    But the TEAM was no good.
     
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    People say this just because of one play here or there. No one for one second thought he wasn't himself when he putting up 31 ppg on 48% shooting. That's ridiculous.

    Sometimes people lose...even MJ. He had before, too. He had no rebounding help at all...that's why he lost. You weren't beating that Magic team (or the Rockets that swept them) with that frontcourt.
     
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    Horace Grant properly gave Rodman his credit when discussing the difference between 95 and 96.
     
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    That’s incredibly insulting to all three of his peers.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/05/10/michael-jordan-documentary-episode-seven-recap/
     
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    They didn't have Rodman yet
     
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    The Bulls won 24 of their final 34 games, and finished the season with a 47–35 record, going 13–4 with Jordan back in the lineup.

    In his return to the Garden, his 5th game back, Jordan scored 55 in a Chicago win.

    Michael Jordan, with his hands on his hips, began to answer with a most self-assured and infectious grin. “It’s starting to come back to me a little bit,” Jordan said.

    Bulls fan everywhere knew that grin, that look in Jordan’s eyes, what it all signified.

    Zero arguments. Not with Jordan’s stat line that Tuesday night in New York City: 37 shots taken, 21 made.

    Three 3-pointers. Ten free throws added on 11 attempts. That one spectacular number bursting from the points column of the box score: 55.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.chicagotribune.com/sports/bulls/ct-chicago-bulls-michael-jordan-55-points-knicks-madison-square-garden-20200328-rnihlomx7rfdlbir6xlqdiqkxe-story.html?outputType=amp?espv=1
     
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